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UFC Fight Night 29: Maia vs. Shields Play-By-Play & Full Fight Results

UFC Fight Night 29: Maia vs. Shields Play-By-Play & Full Fight Results

Barueri, Brazil– The Octagon continues its global invasion with UFC Fight Night 29: Maia vs. Shields tonight (October 9, 2013) on the soil of South America for the eleventh time. Meeting in the main event will be two jiu jitsu specialists who do their best work on the ground, Demian Maia and Jake Shields. The two might just decided that they want to slug it out for the crazed crowd, which could make the fight better than most fans expect it to be.

The co-main event features well rounded Brazilian Erick Silva going against the ruthless Judo expertise of Dong Hyun Kim’s. Silva has been streaking after his three-round decision loss to Jon Fitch, who has yet to score a win since that fight and was released from the promotion.

In addition to the main card on Fox Sports 1, there are also four preliminary bouts that begin @ 5:00 ET/2:00 PT. The remaining six fights will also unfold on FS1 immediately following the prelim bouts.

Main Card

– Demian Maia vs. Jake Shields:

Round One: Maia comes out and walks Shields down, Shields landing a nice inside kick to Maia’s leg. Maia goes deep on the takedown and Shields is strong against the cage. Maia finally gets the takedown and Sheilds is using butterfly guard to keep Maia from putting his weight down on him. Shields makes his way up rather easily as Maia was going for some ground-and-pound. Shields unable to get anything going and a body lock takedown scores for Maia. Shields tries to get up and Maia rapidly jumps on his back with both hooks in. Shields avoids the choke and flips Maia and lands in top position. Shields working some light ground-and-pound from Maia’s guard. Maia comfortable fighting from his back, even though he’s not doing a whole lot. Round ends with Shields in Maia’s guard.

Round Two: Shields gets Maia on the ground again and Maia doesn’t look too hot off his back. Shields in Maia’s half guard now and Shields looks to be trying to pass, but that might not be his best bet as Maia looks to be struggling with the strength of Shields on top. Short elbows for Shields and Maia is doing nothing off his back. Maia tries to get up but it’s not working and Shields ends the round on top once again.

Round Three: Maia using his straigh left very well hitting the head and body of Shields. Shields shoots and Maia ends up with Shields on the fence and looking for the takedown. Shields uses his whizzer to flip Maia and Maia back to his feet immediately. Maia ends up with a takedown and has Shields’ back but Shields with a nice reversal and he’s on top of Maia. Nice grappling exchange by the two. Shields peppering away with light ground -and-pound while Maia has his head flat on the mat and he’s taking a breather here. Round closes with Shields on top and not doing damage

Round Four: Fourth round begins and they gauge the distance for a bit before Shields goes for the bulldozing takedown attempt that Maia avoids. Maia turns it around and gets double underhooks on Shields. Shields now has Maia against the cage after Maia couldn’t do anything on his try. Referee breaks them up and Shields dives for a single and Maia sprawls nicely. Another takedown attempt from Shields and Maia ends up on top on the sprawl. Maia digging to the body with short punches and the ref stands them up. Shields throws up a kick and Maia is stalking him. Another kick from Shields and Maia responds with a straight left.

Round Five: Shields throwing kicks out there and Maia just keeps answering with a single left hand, Shields with another takedown and Maia shoos him off again. Shields tries another takedown and Shields ends up getting pressed against the fence and Maia can’t do anything with his double underhooks. They break from the clinch and Shields lands a nice head kick that barely touches Maia. Shields again deep on a takedown along the fence and the ref breaks them up. Maia finally showing some urgency and lands some combinations on the American and his home country of Brazil goes insane.

Shields via split decision

– Erick Silva vs. Dong Hyun Kim:

Round One: Kim goes for the shot and Silva escapes. Kim again closes the distance and Silva avoids again. This is not good for Kim. Kim goes for a backfist that is way off. A few knees to the body land for Silva and Kim is still looking to tie him up in the clinch. Some wild exchanges and Kim pushes Silva to the ground and goes from the back to the mount. Silva has a lock around the body so Kim can’t unload with any ground-and-pound. Kim moves Silva against the fence and Silva starts a scramble that still has Kim in top position, but he’s no longer mounted. Silva rolls for a footlock and Kim escapes it easily. Kim again has Silva on his back and pressed up against the cage. Silva again goes for the heel hook and Kim isn’t in any trouble. Round ends

Round Two: Silva explodes with some heavy strikes that have Kim hurt, but Kim bounces back and presses the Brazilian back against the fence. Kim now lunging in with his hands down. They collide in the clinch and Silva lands a huge knee to the body of Kim. An uppercut followed by a left hook lands for Silva. A few jabs come just after and another uppercut clocks Kim. Kim looks to be folding and Silva has found his range. Kim lands a straight left as Silva leaps in the pocket and Silva falls straight back and lands on his head. The follow-up shot wasn’t needed as Silva was completely flat and out cold.

Kim via KO @ 3:01 of Round Two

– Thiago Silva vs. Matt Hamill:

Round One: Silva looks intense as usual and the action begins after the ref wipes Silva off with a rag. Hmm. Hamill comes out with a strong leg kick and he trips Silva to the ground for a second but Silva is right back up. Hamill looks more comfortable standing than I had expected, and that’s probably not going to be a good thing for him. Hamill with another leg kick and a lazy shot is stuffed by Silva. Silva landing hard shots and Hamill is feeling the pain. Hamill is backing up more and Silva is pressing forward with hard kicks and punches. More big strikes from Silva and Hamill can’t seem to find the takedown he wants. Good body shots by Hamill land and Silva stays active with his punches and kicks. Hamill lands an uppercut and almost lands a left head kick

Round Two: Hamill comes out kicking the leg and Silva returns with big power strikes but Hamill is absorbing every strike very well. Hamill with the takedown and Silva pops back up a few seconds after. Body punch from Hamill and his striking attack looks to have Silva a little frustrated. Some stiff kicks to the leg of Hamill land for Silva but Hamill is staying in his face the whole time. Silva lands a right and follows up with another. Hamill wobbles and Silva smells the blood. An uppercut drops Hamill and Silva goes for the finish, but Hamill recovers quick and gets right back to his feet. Silva is landing the harder shots and forces Hamill to shoot a takedown to end the round on top.

Round Three: More kicks to the leg from Silva are chopping Hamill down. Hamill’s takedowns aren’t working anymore as Silva has now avoided two of them with relative ease. Another kick gets whipped at the leg of Hamill and an eye poke to Silva stops the action for a minute. They restart and Silva begins where he left off before the break, blasting Hamill’s leg with kicks. Hamill with some jabs but he’s looking really slow in there. Silva going low with kicks then high with power punches and he has Hamill desperate to get the fight down to the ground. Silva  with some knees and Hamill is folding fast. Silva continues the onslaught of hard kicks as the round comes to an end.

Silva via unanimous decision

– Fabio Maldonado vs. Joey Beltran:

Round One: They touch gloves and Beltran is putting his jab out there immediately. Maldonado is laying back while Beltran looks to be starting fast. A jab lands for Maldonado and Beltran pushes him against the cage and looks for a single leg takedown. Beltran doesn’t look desperate and unleashes a barrage of body shots and one hits the nads of Maldonado. Yamasaki stops the action and they restart in the center of the cage shortly after. Beltran keeps walking Maldonado down and again has him up against the fence. Maldonado turns it around and Beltran gets the thai plumb and works some quick knees to the body before turning Maldonado into the cage. Beltran with a nice flurry of punches to Maldonado and a guillotine attempt thereafter gets him nowhere but right back on the fence. Beltran continuing to pepper away with punches and knees as he holds Maldonado against the fence and Maldonado has nothing for him here. Beltran backs away and they exchange a few. Maldonado should really focus on getting his back off the fence, but he’s content to just stand there and try to land short shots. A guillotine attempt for Maldonado doesn’t work and Beltran is back up. Maldonado calls for Beltran to punch him as the round comes to an end

Round Two: Maldonado’s corner telling him to stay off the fence between rounds. They start off in the center and Maldonado gets off a couple nice right hands to the bald head of Beltran. Maldonado also using his jab very well and it seems like he’s the more polished stand up fighter, but Beltran seems comfortable on the feet for now. Beltran again initiates the clinch and Maldonado lands a few body punches before Beltran gets him back on the cage. This time Maldonado uses the break to get off some heavy punches instead of just short shots. He’s gonna need to hit Beltran hard in order to take something away from him. Beltran with an elbow over the top and some knees to the body right after. The action comes to a halt. Maldonado’s mouthpiece was knocked out when he was elbowed against the cage. Maldonado now walking Beltran down and Beltran looks to be slowing down. Maldonado finding a home for his jab and Beltran doesn’t like the way it’s going and shoots for a takedown. Maldonado works a body body uppercut combo and Beltran has  nothing for him on the feet. Wild exchanges as the round ends and this time Maldonao looks happy as the round ends.

Round Three: Maldonado returns to his boxing attack and Beltran is moving around uncomfortably. Beltran pushes forward and lands a few on Maldonado. Maldonado stays tough and lands a left to the face of Beltran as he’s getting pressed on the fence. Beltran again has Maldonado pressed on the fence and starts to work for a takedown. Maldonado avoids it and the referee splits them up. Beltran looks slower and Maldonado fires off a jab and a body shot behind it that both land flush on the target. Beltran with a big right hand and gets Maldonado with his back on the fence. A low shot from Maldonado gets Beltran and the action restarts in the center of the cage. Maldonado landing at will and forces Beltran to shoot a takedown. He doesn’t get it but he presses Maldonado back on the cage and finally has him down. Some knees to the body from Beltran after a failed guillotine attempt and Beltran ends the round with a strong message for the judges’ scorecards

Maldonado via split decision

– Rousimar Palhares vs. Mike Pierce:

Round One: Pierce blitzes right away and Pierce lands a nice right hand and jumps in the guard of Palhares. Not a good idea to do that as Palhares immediately starts working for the legs. Pierce falls back and almost looks like he’s gonna try one of his own, he senses danger and stands back up. He’s almost got Palhares off him but again Palhares dives for the leg and he’s relentless on it. Pierce is standing up against the fence while Palhares locks the heel hook and the tap comes shortly after. Big welterweight debut for Palhares!!!

Palhares via submission (heel hook) @ :31 seconds of Round One

– Raphael Assunção vs. T.J. Dillashaw:

Round One: Referee Yamasaki gets the action started and both fighters come out fast. Dillashaw throws out a nice combo that almost lands. Assuncao with a right that knocks Dillashaw off-balance. A kick from Assuncao misses and these guys look like they want to trade strikes for the crowd. Dillashaw ducks under right as I say that and takes Assuncao down with ease. Assuncao right back to his feet and Dillashaw throws a right and leans in with a left uppercut. Big left kick from Dillashaw grazes Assuncao. Assuncao with a kick to the leg and Dillashaw responds with a nice left high kick. A wild exchange on the feet has Dillashaw taking Assuncao’s back. A nice rear naked choke attempt from Dillashaw and Assuncao is holding him up. The choke doesn’t look sunk in but Assuncao looks worried. Dillashaw is relentless on this and again tries to sink in the choke, this time while Assuncao is belly down. Assuncao gets out and they exchange strikes for a bit before the round ends. Wild round!

Round Two: Dillashaw walking Assuncao down to start round number two and Assuncao lands the first big strike and a couple leg kicks follow. Assuncao goes to the body with the kick this time and it seems to be working for him, but Dillashaw looks like he’s biding his time and waiting to land the right shot to stop the fight. Dillashaw with a head kick and Assuncao eats it. Dillashaw goes for a stepping knee and Assuncao clocks him with a clean right that wobbles Dillashaw. Dillashaw shoots and Assuncao works for a guillotine. Dillashaw isn’t letting him get guard and works for a single leg. Assuncao won’t let go of the guillotine and Dillashaw finds his way back to his feet. Big exchange on the feet sees Assuncao getting off another nice right hand. Assuncao got tripped up and goes for a takedown. Dillashaw again on the back of Assuncao and the Brazilian works his way back to his feet. More wild exchanges on the feet by both men before the bell sounds.

Round Three: A kick from Dillashaw and he falls off balance and Assuncao jumps on him. Dillashaw powers to his feet and they’re back on the feet. Dillashaw trying the head kick he’s been looking for all night and Assuncao just isn’t there to take it. Dillashaw bleeding from his nose and eye. Dillashaw goes for the body kick and Assuncao catches it and goes for the takedown. Dillashaw shoos him away and continues to walk him down, even though he’s not really getting much done with his “Bang” muay thai. Close round though, and pretty much even in the standup in the third round. Great fight!

Assuncao via split decision

Preliminary Card
– Ildemar Alcantara vs. Igor Araujo: Araujo via unanimous decision
– Yan Cabral vs. David Mitchell: Cabral via unanimous decision
– Iliarde Santos vs. Chris Cariaso: Cariaso via TKO @ 4:31 of Round One
– Allan Patrick vs. Garett Whiteley: Patrick wins via TKO @ 3:54 of Round One

  • AlphaOmega says:

    Palhares is being investigated for holding the sub to long after the ref told him to stop, UFC is withholding the bonus, and possibly more action depending on the commissions findings.

  • raker says:

    I didn’t think that he held it that long. Sure, Pierce tapped quickly and Palhares held on but I’m sure he just held on until he was sure the ref called it. I don’t see it as any different than a guy continuing to punch after his opponent is obviously out. You fight until the ref calls it.

  • MCM says:

    Thank you raker. I just wrote on another site (where they’re calling for Palhares to get cut?!?) how he did nothing wrong in this fight and released as soon as the ref stopped it. People just have a hate on for Palhares I guess.

  • AlphaOmega says:

    It’s the commission/Dana who first said that Palhares held the sub to long, so I don’t think its a public witch hunt. Obviously they saw something they didn’t like

  • darth_irritable says:

    I dunno dude, the ref was having to literally pull him off. That looked nasty, and he has a history of this kind of thing working against him.

  • MCM says:

    looks like Dana cut and banned Palhares over this whole thing. I don’t get it at all. I still can’t see how he did anything wrong.

  • raker says:

    Double standard…… After Hendo flattened Bisping…

    “Normally I’m not that way in fights. I know if the guy’s out, I tend to stop. I hit him hard but I got that last blow in just to shut him up a little bit.”
    UFC’s CEO Dana White said he was unhappy with those comments, but had been by Henderson that it was “a joke”.

    Hemdo’s hit on Bisping was way worse than what Palhares did.

  • AlphaOmega says:

    Double Standard is Dana’s middle name

  • darth_irritable says:

    Hendo was a first time offender. Palhares is a serial offender. This is particularly egregious, because the heelhook can easily cripple a fighter if it’s misused. Having had a couple of mild scares, a tank like Paul Harris, not even remorseful for doing it time and again, needs to be gone. Last night, the ref had to yank him right off, and he was resisting even then.

    Hendo probably should have gotten penalized for that one, but bottom line, if you are wilfully and repeatedly trying to shred someone’s knee, your ass needs to be gone.

  • raker says:

    Ok… Did Mir really have to break Big Nogs arm? That was the second time… He has already broken Sylvia’s… If he’s repeatedly trying to break someone’s arm should he be gone? I know, big nog didn’t tap but if the argument is the will to injure then is Palhares any different than a guy like Mir? Mir even talked up death to lesnar. If that’s not out of line in MMA what is?

  • MCM says:

    wasn’t Hendo’s first time either, he did the exact same thing to Wandy in Pride. That’s neither here nor there though as the entire sub, stoppage and release lasted just under 2 seconds.

    Ever since Joe Rogan counted down a slow motion replay of the sub on Drwal (5 seconds in slow mo BTW), Palhares has been singled out for anything he does. If he holds onto a sub, it’s too long. If he stops fighting cause he thinks the other fighter is out (dan miller), he’s crazy. Classic case of can’t win for losing.

  • darth_irritable says:

    That hold is just so brutal, if he’s going to use it, he HAS to stop. Even when you’re fighintg someone in these things, you still have an element of trust in the other guy, that when the ref calls it, or you tap, it’s game over.

    Having had my own leg fucked for months of a minorly over-executed heelhook, I have no tolerance for the damage that can be done by this clown wilfully doing it over and over. That partcular lock is absolutely fucking destructive. If you look at the physics and the biomechanics, it is designed to destroy the knee with minimal effort.

    On the Mir issue, he’s all talk and we know it. And if you’re not going to tap out, and something bad happens, that is your decision – Sylvia and Nog made those choices. But when you tap, the expectation is and HAS TO BE that the game is over. I can even see the argument that you wait for the ref to call it. But you don’t wait for the ref to try to physically drag you off when you’ve got a lock of that nature on.

    Bottom line, there’s a social contract between fighters, that you have enough respect for your opponent to leave off when they’re done, and this douchebag has violated it repeatedly.

  • MCM says:

    I agree with you about the brutality of the hold (sorry to hear about your knee) I just don’t agree with the theory that Palhares held it too long. He let go when the ref jumped in, period. That’s what he’s supposed to do. I hear a lot about how he (and he’s singled out for it) is supposed to be the one to let go of a submission as soon as the opponent taps, but no other fighter is held to that standard.

    How many fights have we seen where Fighter A locks a submission in on Fighter B and gets the tap but the ref is either in the wrong position of can’t see the tap and Fighter A looks to the ref and says “he’s tapping”? Fighter A doesn’t relinquish the hold until the ref steps in cause he’s not supposed to. And no one ever complains that Fighter A held the sub too long, because it’s a non issue.

    To me, this should be a non issue. Tap to release was less than 2 seconds, I just don’t understand why 2 seconds is considered too long.

  • MCM says:

    I’m just gonna leave this right here.

  • darth_irritable says:

    I’m more tolerant of armbars and chokes. It’s really hard for a choke to really be dangerous if its on for a few more seconds. And an armbar you have pretty tight control over the body (see Rousey, Ronda). But the heelhook – waaaaay too much potential for serious damage – especially with a guy thrashing and screaming. Very easy to rip something loose.

  • THEGUNNER says:

    over reaction. Its a fight. Rhonda rousy broke tates arm way worse. mir hung on to lesners leg for longer than this guy did.

  • darth_irritable says:

    But gunner, both let go as soon as the ref made contact with them. The issue isn’t what happens before the tap. It’s what happens AFTER the tap. In the case of Mir/Lesnar, shitty reffing doesn’t offset the fact that Mir let go. I’ve rewatched this fight a couple of times, and I still think he held it on too long, albeit only a second or two.

    The punishment is too severe for a first offense, but the reality is that this is a multiple offender. And worse, he doesn’t seem to realize he does it. I think there’s something not quite right in his head. One day, he’s going to really hurt someone

  • fanoftna33 says:

    You know I was on the fence about this one as palhares has been known to hold on to long but watching the replay it does not look like it was even close to what people are making it out to be, and from the other angle you can see that Palhares was not even watching the ref but was very into clinching the hold ( which he should be doing ). I agree with MCM that this was a over reaction from Dana ( never heard of that on right ). This was nowhere near the same amount of time he held on to Thomad Dwral, and the fact that he just blew through a guy that has been so tough in the WW division just adds to the shitty factor for Palharis as that win could have shot him up to a top 10 fight and big money.

  • darth_irritable says:

    Yeah, I’ve loosened up a bit on this since I rewatched in terms of the duration, but he just kept cranking it on harder and harder, after Pierce was tapping furiously and screaming he quit. The potential for injury, was just too high. Contrast to Pettis and the armbar he put on Bendo a couple weeks prior…

    2007, 2010, 2011, 2013. How many chances do you give this guy?

    Also this site is unusable in Chrome with the new ads. Brendhan, can you do anything here? Kinda seems like shitty CSS if you ask me.

  • Richard Stabone says:

    Palhares clearly kept cranking after Pierce was furiously tapping. This is inarguable.

    Was it as long as the absolute bullshit maneuver he pulled in the Drwal fight? No. But with this guy’s track record, I don’t need a stop watch… no more 2nd chances or benefit of the doubt. (And it wasn’t just that previous UFC fight… he’s had a history of this shit in Abu Dhabi competition as well.)

    Darth is absolutely right this dude has mental issues. When he was with Brazilian Top Team, head trainer Bustamante brought in a psychologist to try to help him out. But unfortunately, Palhares’ physical prowess is inversely proportional to his mental capacity. He ran out of chances.

  • Richard Stabone says:

    One more thought…

    In totality, Palhares’ transgressions far exceed Paul Daley’s bitch slap to Koscheck at the conclusion of their fight, which earned Daley a lifetime ban.

  • MCM says:

    Of course he kept cranking, that’s his job. People seem to be under the impression that Tapping stops a fight, it doesn’t. No more than Knocking someone out stops a fight or throwing in a towel stops a fight. The ONLY thing that stops a fight is the Referee. Tapping, verbally submitting, going unconscious are all Signals to the referee to stop the fight. “Keep fighting till the ref stops it.” We’ve all heard that a million times, because it’s the rule. That’s why fighters are allowed to land flying punches to the heads of unconscious opponents and to continue cutting blood off the their brains while telling referee’s “he’s out.”

    From the Unified Rules of MMA:
    “The referee is the sole arbiter of a contest and is the only individual authorized to stop a contest. The referee may take advice from the ringside physician and/or the Commission with respect to the decision to stop a contest.”

    From the time the referee initiated the stoppage to the time Palhares let go the submission was 1 Second. 1 second is in no way shape or form too long for a hold.

  • raker says:

    I agree. I know that Palhares has held on too long in the past but he has also taken his eye off of the ball too like in the fight with Marquardt. A tight and potentially damaging hold for sure but Palhares did what he needed to do. Hold on until the ref stopped the fight.

  • Richard Stabone says:

    I’m not going to pretend there’s no onus on a fighter to release a sub once his opponent is emphatically tapping for all to see. There’s the letter of the law, and then there’s the spirit of the rules and overall competition/sportsmanship. Palhares doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand this. It’s happened in Abu Dhabi competition, it’s happened in training camp/sparring, and it’s happened multiple times in the Octagon.

    But if you want to say Palhares was well within his rights to keep cranking on Pierce’s leg and put him on the shelf for 6 months despite the fact Pierce was emphatically submitting… well, OK. Problem is, Palhares still held on too long after the ref jumped in. Palhares is a veteran fighter with tons of experience in that type of position where he’s got a guy in a compromising position. There’s no way he didn’t feel the tap & shouldn’t have been either ready to release at that point or at the very least anticipating the ref to jump in. The ref made physical contact with Palhares & he still held the sub. It wasn’t until the ref literally buried his head in Palhares’ crotch and physically yanked on Pierce’s leg to remove it from Palhares grasp that things came to a halt.

    You guys are bending over backwards to defend a guy who’s long ago lost the benefit of the doubt. The commission recognizes this. The UFC recognizes this. And Palhares is left to deal with the consequences and has no one to blame but himself.

  • darth_irritable says:

    I have to side with Richard here. In this instance, once he’s tapping like Tappy O’Tappster, you don’t need to crank it harder, longer, more. It’s not like he’s going to stop tapping, and wasn’t caught on roughly 325,000 DVR’s.

  • AlphaOmega says:

    I finally got to see this fight, and I have to agree with Richard and darth, the ref was quick to jump on it and Palhares still held on even after the ref touched him on the shoulder and pushed, and then had to grab the leg and pull it out of his hands. That shouldn’t happen, he should of stopped as soon as he felt the refs touch, not when the ref is forcing you to stop a hold. Also my friend and I rewound it over and over and we counted a good 3 or 4 seconds between shoulder touch, and the ref forcing the break.

  • AlphaOmega says:

    Off Topic: I just want to say that it’s pretty bad when the most votes, counting up and down, is 4. When use to we could reach double digits

  • darth_irritable says:

    Alpha, part of that might be the shitty ads. The way they render on Chrome, it takes me a good minute just to be able to interact with something other than the ad itself. Chrome *is* now the #1 consumer browser, so that might be something to fix.

  • AlphaOmega says:

    Could be, I use Firefox with adblocker plus so I don’t have any ad troubles, but I am having pop ups still whenever I try to click a link in the comments section on the right side. However, Brendhan seems to of gotten them to fix the top 5 lists from kicking me out to the main page

  • AlphaOmega says:

    Spoke to soon on the Top 5 thing

  • SBERG says:

    This isn’t even close…Palhares didn’t let go…This isn’t a first time infraction and measures needed to be taken to show future fighters this kind of action won’t be tolerated. He deserved to be let go….It’s his own fault. He only needs himself to blame here….How anyone who watched the fight can look at it in any other way is mind boggling.

  • MCM says:

    And I honestly can’t see how anyone can look at this objectively and NOT see it for anything other than a good sub and stoppage. Opinions and assholes I guess.

  • SBERG says:

    Easy there MCM. No one was name calling you…I only offered a opinion….Don’t be a child because someone disagreed with you.

  • MCM says:

    Child?!? I wasn’t insulting anyone.
    There’s a saying that goes, “Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and everyone elses stinks.” It basically means that everyone has their own views on things and people won’t always agree. I thought it was a pretty common saying which is why I phrased it the way I did.

    How bout if I wrote, “Meh. Different strokes, different folks.” Does that offend you?

  • SBERG says:

    Actually that would’ve come across better….

  • Creature says:

    MCM you’re a big meany pants 😉


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