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Grappling with Issues – 1/14/11

Do you consider Junior Dos Santos the favorite over Brock Lesnar? Should Strikeforce have organized their heavyweight tournament differently? Was it a mistake to include Josh Barnett in the Strikeforce World Grand Prix based on his licensing issues? Who would you like to see Tyron Woodley face next?

Keyboard warrrrriors….come out to plaaaay-yay!

Welcome to Grappling with Issues, our site’s regular weekly feature highlight insight and opinion from myself and Adam Tool. As always, just because we staffers get the fancy set-up, please don’t feel precluded from dishing out your own thoughts on each matter in the comments section at the bottom of the column.

Do you like/dislike the selection of Brock Lesnar and Junior dos Santos as TUF 13 coaches?

Tool: I’m on board with this selection all the way, and I have a hard time understanding anybody who isn’t. From a business standpoint it makes nothing but sense, as Lesnar is easily the company’s top drawing fighter right now. Dos Santos is a potential contender without a lot of name value so it certainly can’t hurt to get him plenty of face time with casual fans before the biggest fight(s) of his life. I don’t know how much money Dana White had to throw at Lesnar to make this happen but it’s going to be worth every penny, guaranteed.

I’m also looking forward to the actual episodes of the show. Obviously the case will play a big part in the season’s quality but I’m already curious to see how Brock reacts to the whole thing. He’s a notoriously reclusive man who’s also well aware of what it takes to play things up for the camera. Will we see more of the dickish Lesnar that snarled into cameras at the end of UFC 100? Will he be constantly pushing cameras out of his way when he gets pissed off? Are the doors at the UFC Gym in for their roughest season yet? We’ll have to wait and see.

Conlan: I don’t share in Tool’s enthusiasm for the selection and actually have mixed emotions about the choice of Season 13’s coaches. I completely agree Lesnar’s presence will likely lead to the highest rated season of the Ultimate Fighter to date and fatten the bank accounts of everyone involved. I’m also interested to see how the generally private Lesnar will react with cameras constantly on him.

However, I question how much he’ll have to offer to the season’s competitors who he’ll outweigh by a hundred pounds. Beyond simply the size differential I’m also concerned about the quality of training they’ll receive when Lesnar’s camp is hand-picked and features a bunch of guys his size. I don’t doubt strength/conditioning will be taken care of but teaching or polishing overall technique might be a different story. Dos Santos is affiliated with Antonio “Minotauro” Nogueira and Anderson Silva, Lesnar with Chris Tuchscherer and Cole Konrad. Need I say more?

I’d like to see TUF focus on upcoming fighters trying to break into the industry rather than marketing an eventual PPV match-up featuring two cemented stars already guaranteed to do incredible numbers. I want to see young talent, like Jonathan Brookins, get a chance to be educated by the best available in an environment conducive to their development rather than becoming background decorations in favor of a dude who could still probably learn as much from a few of them as teach in return. So, while I do see the upside to Lesnar/Dos Santos as coaches, in general I’d say I dislike it especially when considering how many other options were out there (Gray Maynard and Frank Edgar, Urijah Faber and Miguel Torres, etc.).

Would you have set up the brackets differently had you been in charge of creating the Strikeforce World Grand Prix?

Tool: If we were setting up a proper tournament you would have to re-arrange the brackets. It makes no sense to put all your top fighters on one side of the bracket if you’re truly trying to figure out who is the best fighter. You should have seeds and you should arrange those seeds with the overall goal of having the #1 and #2 seed meet in the finals. Part of the fun of tournaments is seeing those high-ranking seeds get upset, but there’s still plenty of upset potential in the way Strikeforce has things set up.

Strikeforce President Scott Coker has explained the brackets by saying that it was the easiest way to make sure the company gets to put on the really big fights, and I can’t argue with that. Alistair Overeem should be fighting Fabricio Werdum, and Antonio Silva is as good of a rebound opponent as any for Fedor Emelianenko. It’s also easy to see several enticing fights coming in the semi-finals from the possible winners of both of those fights. If Coker and his crew are serious about getting the later rounds of this tournament on PPV then this approach could very well pay off.

Conlan: I completely disagree with Tool because I think it not only makes sense to structure the brackets as they have, it’s actually somewhat genius. MMA is so unpredictable it’s important to take advantage of money match-ups when they’re available. By putting Overeem and Werdum together, as well as Emelianenko against an underdog like Silva, the company is guaranteed to deliver at least one heavyweight throwdown fans have be lusting after for awhile and likely two. Rather than risk an upset or injury Strikeforce is delivering with immediacy.

Then, on the other side, you have four guys who need the career momentum and spotlight a pair of big wins would provide (let alone a victory in the tournament final). Andrei Arlovski is a former champ with a lot of questions surrounding his future, and chin, while Sergei Kharitonov has only fallen out of “Top 10” contention due to his inactivity and holds past wins over both Overeem and Werdum. It’s also a “super-fight” of sorts when considering their UFC/PRIDE affiliation. Finally, there’s Barnett who has been labeled as one of the three best heavyweights in MMA but also linked to steroid use and Brett Rogers, a 10-0 knockout machine before running into Overeem/Emelianenko. They all have something to prove and a lot to offer. In the end, one of the four is likely to have an opportunity to win the biggest fight of his career, while the opposing side of the Grand Prix should deliver the possibility of Fedor fighting Overeem or attempting to avenge his loss to Werdum.

Seriously, what’s not to like?

Who would you put Tyron Woodley in the cage with next?

Tool: I’m sure there will be somebody out there who wants “T-Wood” to get a title shot in his next fight, but I have to believe that Woodley is still a few fights away from hanging with somebody like Nick Diaz (assuming Diaz is successful in defending his title against Evangelista “Cyborg” Santos later this month). If Joe Riggs was still with the company I’d say he’s pretty much a perfect pick, but since he’s not available anymore I’ve got another battle-tested veteran in mind for this question.

As much as I hate to use him in this fashion, I think Hayato “Mach” Sakurai is a great pick for Woodley’s next opponent. He’s a name amongst hardcore fans and can be easily sold to the casual audience given his time spent in pretty much every major MMA organization (including a UFC Welterweight Championship fight against Matt Hughes). His recent record is nothing to get excited about, and it’s safe to assume that we’re seeing the tail end of his career, but he’s still got some name value for Woodley to build off of. Jason High recently showed that Sakurai has no answers for a strong wrestler, so it’s safe to assume that this would be a great showcase fight for Woodley to continue his rise in the Strikeforce ranks.

Conlan: I have a great deal of appreciation for what Sakurai has accomplished in his career but facing him would be a step backwards for Woodley. “Mach” is a star in Japan but has almost no profile in America with his last bout here taking place almost four years ago, plus he’s been beaten in his last four outings including three by way of a finishing performance. He offers nothing beneficial to someone in the undefeated welterweight’s position. A win would be expected and anything other than pure domination would be questioned. Also, why risk the possibility Sakurai would somehow land a strike and take home the victory? After all, a fight is a fight and the unpredictability of MMA is well-documented.

The time for Woodley to face the promotion’s top welterweights is now. The world needs to know if he is as legit as he appears to be or if he’s simply a product of matchmaking. As such, I think Paul Daley is the way for Strikeforce to go. He’s known by fans, is coming off a huge knockout win, and has beaten a number of respectable foes. The stylistic match-up adds another layer of intrigue as well based on Daley’s striking in comparison to the former Mizzou Tiger’s grappling. In fact, it’s the type of fight Strikeforce could even market as determining a #1 contender for the winner of Diaz/Santos.

BUY/SELL – Strikeforce made a mistake by putting Josh Barnett in the HW tournament when he still isn’t licensed to fight in California.

Conlan: SELL. As long as Strikeforce is confident in their ability to get him approved for competition in other States I don’t think it’s necessary for him to fight in California. Regardless of his past transgressions Barnett remains a talented fighter who has been among the “Top 10” heavyweights in MMA for a long time. The PRIDE veteran is also among the best in the business when it comes to selling his fights to the public through media based on his wit, intellect, and professional wrestling experience. However, I think it is crucial Strikeforce makes sure he is drug tested in Ohio (where he’s believed to be fighting Rogers on March 5). The easiest way to eliminate criticism related to Barnett’s past pops for PED use is by showing he can and will test clean on a regular basis.

Tool: BUY. I hate to be the negative one here but counting on Barnett to pass three drug tests in a row is like counting on Lindsay Lohan to show up on-time for three court appearances in a row. It might happen, but don’t bet on it.

Not only can Barnett not compete in California he’s also going to have a hard time getting licensed in any other state that chooses to abide by the CSAC’s rulings. What’s worse is that California is Strikeforce’s base of operations, so they’re potentially limiting themselves from holding shows where their fan base is the strongest. Coker wants to act like Barnett’s suffered enough but the fact remains that he’s still got a heavy stigma attached to his name. Brendhan’s on point when he says that the only way to move past Barnett’s image is to change it. Until then I reserve the right to treat him like a lousy cheat.

Are you still interested in a potential bout between Shane Carwin and Roy Nelson?

Conlan: I am interested in any heavyweight bout the UFC can put together featuring two of their notable athletes. Though the division features the company’s biggest athletes it is among the least beefy from a talent perspective. There is skill to be sure but not in the same quantity or widespread quality as, say, lightweight or welterweight.

Letting Carwin and Nelson fight would help sort out the relative logjam of heavies who are 1-1 in their last two bouts while capitalizing on a personal rivalry between the two. It would also provide an interesting study in conditioning when comparing their vastly different physiques. And, perhaps most importantly, it would pair two skilled competitors with differing styles and essentially guarantee a finish from one of them.

Tool: I’m still interested as well, although it’s unfortunate that one of these guys will be losing two in a row, especially given the relatively depleted nature of the heavyweight division at the moment. As Brendhan pointed out this match-up still makes plenty of sense in terms of providing an intriguing fight so I say make it official and then follow both guys on Twitter to see what they what have to say in regards to one another in the coming months.

Do you agree with odds-makers’ early assessment that Dos Santos is the favorite over Lesnar?

Conlan: I suppose so since the line is so close. After all, it’s not like Lesnar is a 5:1 underdog to “Cigano”, and I think a case can be made for why the Brazilian behemoth would get a slight nod over the former heavyweight champ. Dos Santos is a powerful striker who trains with submission savant “Minotauro” Nogueira and earned a brown-belt in BJJ from the Brazilian icon. Lesnar has already shown a susceptibility to strikes and, though only in theory based on the lack of need to exhibit it thus far, has to worry about avoiding submissions from the bottom if/when he takes Dos Santos down to the mat. On top of that, Lesnar is coming off a devastating loss to Cain Velasquez and for awhile was rumored to be contemplating his retirement from MMA. If his heart isn’t truly into fighting anymore I think that’s a factor also coming into play when looking at who should be considered the favorite.

Tool: Following his last two fights it’s pretty easy to pinpoint exactly where Lesnar’s weakness is in the cage. The fact that he would take this match-up with (arguably) the division’s best striker speaks volumes about the former champion’s desire to succeed in the sport. I understand why Dos Santos is the favorite and I would have to agree, as I don’t think Lesnar’s wrestling will allow him to completely nullify Dos Santos’ offense. We also still have yet to see the highly-touted ground game of “Cigano,” so I’m interested to see what might happen if Lesnar is able to take Dos Santos down. Lesnar is still way ahead in the “freakish athletic gifts” department so it’s anybody guess as to how this one plays out, but for the time being I like Dos Santos to win this fight and move on to his highly anticipated showdown with Velasquez.

17 COMMENTS
  • bigbadjohn says:

    JDS is definitely the favorite. In Lesnar’s last two fights he was overwhelmingly outstruck by wrestlers. Junior has the most technical hands in the division. Forget martial arts, he should spend the 3months leading up to the fight practicing solely stuffing take-downs from every possible angle against the purest of wrestlers. If he keeps himself on his feet, I’m not convinced he would’t win with one hand behind his back. Peter Pan style.

  • Dufresne says:

    I think JDS/Lesnar comes down to whether Lesnar can get JDS to the ground and keep him there.

    JDS may have great BJJ, but if Lesnar can get him down I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him employ the same technique he did against Mir in their 2nd fight by staying chest-to-chest and simply relying on his freakish power and enormous fists to do their damage with small shots.

    But if JDS can use his footwork to avoid the early bullrush and if he’s got a good enough ground game to get back up if (probably when) he’s taken down I don’t think there’s any argument that he’s the superior striker. As long as he can avoid the big straight right Lesnar packs, he should be able to pick him apart standing.

  • BiG BaD BuLL says:

    I know that I will get a lot of “thumbs down” for this, but it’s gotta be said…

    I don’t think that JDS is the striking phenom that everyone else does.

    He is aggressive, fires constantly, and hits hard. With that being said…

    I don’t feel that his technique is nearly as great as everyone makes it out to be. He frequently punches from his pockets, doesn’t slip and roll very effectively, and his foot work could be a lot better. The fact of the matter is that his extreme aggression and “punches in bunches” covers a lot of this up. The aforementioned qualities keep his opponents on their heels ( see the fight against Cro cop) and make JDS look great.

    “But what about his fight against Big Country?”

    Honestly, Big Country needs to take 6 months, get his diet in order, and go down to 205. Just because you win a slugfest between 2 cats known for slugfests doesn’t make you a technical and efficient striker.

    Until Lesnar signs up with a Ken Hahn, Sityatong, Apollo Sebastion, One Kick Nick, etc…his striking will not improve. He has to be willing to evolve, and learn how to take a shot to the head.

    I predict JDS coming out really strong, landing some shots, staying in Lesnar’s face. Lesnar will then change levels, sink a double, and grind JDS to a stoppage.

    Let the hate come.

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    Don’t like TUF but like the idea of Lesnar vs JDS.

    Would have had Overeem vs Arlovski and Barnett vs Kharitonov over 1 side and Big Foot vs Fedor and Rogers vs Werdum on the other.

    Barnett testing clean and fighting top opponents is great.

    Not all that interested in Carwin or Nelson but a fight between the 2 would be OK.

    The odds makers have seen JDS strike and seen Lesnar getting hit but I would like to see how JDS does on the ground and how Lesnar has adapted and learned. With a guy the size of Lesnar and his ability as a wrestler I think his adjustment is minor. Although he does need to improve his striking he also needs to improve his ability to counter striking. All he needs to be able to do is smother and grapple instead of run and panic. JDS has never faced a wrestler like Lesnar and has not fought on the ground (at all I think) since 2007 when he was stopped in the first via sub. His win over Werdum was good but since then he has faced Struve (OK) and Yvel (0-3 in the UFC) Gonzaga (0-4 against top 20s since Crocop) and Nelson(2-3 from his last 5 and never beaten a top 20). The UFC has a way of matchmaking (fighter making) and I find it hard not to doubt certain fighters cred. Carwin has beaten 1 fighter in the UFC that has not been dropped for instance (1 of his last 5 victories was against a guy who has lost 15 of his last 18 and 2 others 5 of their last 10, his opponents in his career have a less than impressive combined record of 87-62). I am getting off topic but I guess what I’m trying to say is don’t believe the hype.

    No negs from me BBB, I like it when someone thinks instead of being told how to.

  • JabCrossHook says:

    I think when you saw the way Cain scrambled back up he made lesnar’s wrestling look pretty slow. The way JDS literally darted up to his feet when Gonzaga took him down shows that he’s able to scramble up. I honestly think that Brock has no business teaching any WWs, not even wrestling because his wrestling works for him because hes half man half rhino. UFC wanted him to be HW champ because of his drawing power, now that he’s been exposed badly this kind of spectacle is funny to watch. Brocks fights were hand picked honestly, he’s overrated and just got fast tracked because of his already popular image from pro wrestling.

  • THEGUNNER says:

    Brocks the next white hope spoiled by getting title shots thrown at him id rather see ww coach ww brocks gonna be as bad in coaching as he is at mma he ll be back in wwe by next year where its safe and fake. They should let him fight james toney that would be funny.

  • HevyHitters says:

    Lesnar will get some take downs, but i cant see him holding jds on the ground the entire fight…jds will do a good job at getting back up and stuffing some take downs, he is actual pretty strong him self..if brock doesnt learn how to take punches, i see this fight happenning similar to the cain-lesnar fight but i think it will be in the late second round..i like lesnar, but some guys panic when they get hit, i think hes one of them..you cant really teach that, but can make it better

  • LiverPunch says:

    Really the idea that Lesnar and JDS are there because they are good coaches is false. They are there to create interest. If you want the best coaches that is what you get , the best coaches. I doubt that the “coaches” on these shows do much of the actual coaching anyway. Lesnar may come in with a great BJJ coach and an awesome striking coach and add his bit. The guy is 300 pounds but he has trained wrestling with the best. Some of the very best coaches in the world never made it as a player(fighter) or have never tried. To say Lesnar has nothing to give these fighters because he can’t relate is rubbish. Lesnar is an elite athlete in 2 sports and has a great deal to give these fighters in the way of discipline and training methods as well as motivation and skill. The fight will be interesting between the 2 and I can’t see it going the distance either way. I would rather JDS fought Cain, just because I think Cain is a little more proven than either Lesnar or JDS but if he gets past Brock that fight will happen soon enough.

    Barnett participating in this HW event is a great idea. Barnett would still be regarded as a top 5 if it wasn’t for his PED habit. It is something I don’t get , Sonnen gets busted for PEDs and loses but stays no.2, Barnett gets busted, doesn’t fight, wins his next 2 and for some reason he is not top 3 anymore or even top 10. Figure that 1 out.

    Carwin vs Nelson would be interesting. I would prefer it if Carwin fought a good fighter to prove his top 10 status and Nog is that man. Nelson is average and I have my doubts about Carwin so I would rather they fought highly regarded fighters rather than just fighting amongst themselves.

    JDS being favorite doesn’t surprise me but it is reactionary. JDS is not all that tested either so I will be waiting to see how this goes.

    BigBadBull I do agree with you about JDS but until he mixes it up with top fighters it is hard to tell how good he really is. I like his fights but you are right in saying hype negates real analysis sometimes. Everyone is saying how amazing his striking is but Arlovski put Nelson away easily on the feet and Monson even out pointed Nelson with strikes. JDS still has a lot to prove in my books along with Nelson , Lesnar and Carwin. A few questions will be answered in the coming months.

  • MCM says:

    Most of this stuff has been gone over before but I will say that…..

    I agree with Barnett in HW division even with the the suspensions. But I don’t have him in my top 10 anymore. Not because I think the PED’s should drop him out of the rankings, but because of his lack of activity against top comp over the past couple years. Josh fought Yvel, Mighty Mo, and Geronimo Dos Santos since 2009. Chael, by comparison, fought Maia, Miller, Okami, Marquardt, and Silva in the same time span. There’s no reason Barnett won’t be in the top 10 if he makes it to the finals of the “tourney”, even if he doesn’t win.

    I’d like to see Carwin/Nelson but only if Nelson wins this next fight against Mir. Right now I’d rather see Carwin vs Kongo (or Heath Herring).

    I don’t know why you guys keep questioning JDS? The guy has arguably the best resume over the past few years than any other HW on the planet.

  • BiG BaD BuLL says:

    MMA Logic- Thanks for the support, and not being a sheep. (Not that I have anything against sheep…wolves need them).

    Liver Punch- I completely agree; Lesnar and JDS shouldn’t be coaches. And thanks for not buying the hype, also.

    JabCrossHook- With every ounce of respect…I completely disagree with everything you said. To reference:
    – The way JDS scrambled up to his feet after Gonzaga took him down- The shot of a BJJ practitioner is nowhere near as effective as the shot of a wrestler (this is due to bjj being a top and bottom sport, while wrestling is top dominant and more emphasis is placed on the shot). Also, Gonzaga is only a name because of the Cro cop kick. He has been completely non effective beyond a lucky head kick.
    -” The UFC wanted him to be heavy weight champ… His fights were hand picked.”- Why would the UFC, a sport that is still trying to legitimize itself ” want ” a fake fighter to be the champ? Dana white even told Lesnar before his debut “the UFC isn’t where you come to learn how to fight.”

    -As for his fights being hand picked… an untried wrestler making his UFC debut against a former champ/ the best ground guy that the UFC HW division had to offer? Then to follow up, Heath Herring, one of the most durable, experience, tried and true competitors that MMA has to offer? Randy Couture…maybe a bit early, but he won, fair and square. Frank Mir 2 was a murder. Then he was stacked up against a guy who was his same size and more well rounded in Shane Carwin. And Cain was a hand pick? a guy whose very gameplan was destined to beat Lesnar?

    I disagree. You are more than welcome to your own opinion, but it is a bit biased/ jaded.

  • LiverPunch says:

    He lost against Silva and Maia though MCM. Surely fighting and losing does not boost your ranking. josh was top 5 before the piss test and hasnt lost since. I think for the most part it has been a reaction to his failed test. If he makes the finals (without the help of a PED) he would be ranked top 10 , if he wins it , top 3 again.

  • MCM says:

    my point was that Chael Fought better competition (beating the # 2 and #3 in the division) than Barnett.
    His failed piss test was almost 2 yrs ago, he was subsequently off for 14 months and hasn’t fought anyone of note since coming back. I think if he took that kind of time off for other reasons (injury, family, ?) and come back and fought “nobodies”, he still would have dropped in rankings. It’s easy enough for him to remedy though. As long as he competes/wins his next scheduled match-ups, he’ll be back on track.

  • LiverPunch says:

    Fair enough. You seem to be in the majority anyway. Not many rankings have him top 10 anymore. I do think he probably should be there but where , it is hard to tell. Barnett vs Rogers should be a good fight but if he gets past that 1 I could see him winning against Kharitonov/Arlovski and making the final. Who he will face should he get there is anyones guess. I would say Fedor but Overeem is much bigger, if a little slower and Big Foot is no joke. Fedor and Overeem are the most well rounded so they should (should!) cope with the different opponents the best. Barnett is probably the best wrestler so he may be able to use that to his advantage and he does have the easiest run to the finals. When this event kicks off next month I will be on the edge of my seat in anticipation. I don’t know why but I’m much more excited to see the SF HWs go at it than Nog vs Carwin, Nelson vs Mir and Dos Santos vs Lesnar. Maybe it is because it is finally happening and I’m taking the UFC for granted.
    Lesnar vs JDS is a big fight for me too though. If JDS wins and convincingly so , Cain vs Jr is going to be massive. Bring on 2011. This is going to be a good year for MMA and the HW fans like me.

  • MCM says:

    “I don’t know why but I’m much more excited to see the SF HWs go at it than Nog vs Carwin, Nelson vs Mir and Dos Santos vs Lesnar” – LP

    Outside of Nog, how long have people had to get invested in the UFC HW’s? Long time MMA fans having been wanting to see Barnett vs Fedor for ever. We’ve watched Overeem go from mediocre LHW to gargantuan HW and the most accomplished striker in MMA. Werdum has beaten Fedor and Arlovski/Barnett is one of the Pride/UFC fights everyone wanted.

    3 years ago, no one knew much about Cain, JDS, or Carwin, but we all new Fedor, Barnett and AA. Whether or not those guys are still the cream of the crop is immaterial. They spent a long time at the top and built a huge fan base. I, for one, feel I have more invested in the SF HW’s than I do in the UFC fighters (unless it’s Randy, Nog and Cro Cop). In 5 years that may change, but right now, I too am pumped for these fights.

  • LiverPunch says:

    unless it’s Randy, Nog and Cro Cop
    -MCM

    What happened to Mirko?. He used to be so much more aggressive. He is older now but it is more than that. His fire has gone. He still has an OK record of late but to say I’ve been disappointed with his efforts recently is an understatement. Did Gonzaga put his fire out or has he just faded gradually?. I wish the old Mirko would turn up 1 last time.

  • JabCrossHook says:

    BBB, none of your points make sense and you misinterpret what I said.

    One, I wasn’t talking about the the double of Gonzaga, I’m talking about how JDS literally darted up in a second to his feet with that little opening of space Gonzaga gave him.That shows his skill to scramble right there. JDS is also not that much smaller than brock I would say brock only outweighs him by 15-20 pounds as JDS is 255 when he fights. Brock under his new diet is a lean 270.

    You’re actually referring to what Dana SAID? Hahahahaha you must be joking because like 80% of what Dana says turns out to be BS.

    His fights were handpicked for him to win the title yeah I still agree with that, and he was fast tracked. He was 2-1 with a loss against Mir when he fought Randy for the HW title, a man past his prime and he outweighed by 40 pounds or more and STILL had trouble out-wrestling Randy. Do you realize how absurd that is? Most fighters have to go on a winning streak of at least like 5 fights before they’re even considered number one contender.

    BBB, he’s already a fake fighter, he already proved what kind of “champion” he is by cowering and running away from punches, he got lucky Carwin got overexcited but he still offered nothing in that whole round. Heath Herring is a scrub of a HW who’s been defeated by guys who he outweighs by a good 40 pounds (Vitor, Evan tanner). Stop trying to justify his opponents and record. It was a business move not a sportsmanship move. Brock lesnar got fast tracked because of his popularity so the UFC could make more money.

  • Dufresne says:

    Most fighters have to go on a winning streak of at least like 5 fights before they’re even considered number one contender.

    Most fighters are also competing in a division with more than 3 or 4 top guys at one time. If you could come up with another fighter in the HW division that was more deserving of a title shot than Lesnar at that time, I’m all ears.

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