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Junior dos Santos: Carwin vs. Mir for UFC interim title isn’t fair

junior dos santosWith three consecutive wins inside of the Octagon since his arrival in the UFC, the one fighter that continuously seems to be thrown under the bus when talk turns to the future of the promotion’s heavyweight division in the absence of current champion Brock Lesnar is without a doubt Junior dos Santos.

The heavy handed Brazilian knockout artist burst onto the UFC scene with the first round demolition of the highly regarded Fabricio Werdum before rattling off consecutive TKO victories over the likes of Stefan Struve and Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic.

As it now looks like Shane Carwin and Frank Mir will be slugging it out for the UFC interim heavyweight crown, Dos Santos doesn’t agree with the decision, and surprisingly it’s not in his best interest but a close friend’s.

“I think it isn’t fair,” said Dos Santos in a recent conversation with Tatame.com. “I think [Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira] was closer to fight for the belt and that he should dispute, but as MMA don’t follow a ranking we have to move on according to UFC’s decisions.”

Junior will be facing off with fellow striker Gilbert Yvel during UFC 108 this Saturday evening, January 2, from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

26 COMMENTS
  • Rece Rock says:

    Life isn’t fair… the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

    At the end of the day it’s a business and it needs to be profitable.

    Frank Mir sells a fight and can build up with the best of them.

    The UFC sees the big picture… a Mir win gives him the Rubber Match with Lesner and by that time with his new training and conditioning Mir may very well prove to be the most equipped and well rounded adversary for Lesner…
    that fights #’s are going to be huge it’s a win / win for UFC Lesner comes back and crushes Mir it’s back to business as usual- If Mir comes in and subs Lesner or somehow gets a TKO/ KO it’s a great story of building off of a defeat and accomplishing the unattainable… sucks for Junior dos Santos & Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira but it’s strictly business.

  • 27jride says:

    But Nog lost to Mir recently and Carwin was about to fight for the belt so he absolutely deserves the title shot. Who does he think should NOT be in the interim title bout? I don’t get his line of thinking here.

  • Makington says:

    Good points Rece. 100% agreed. It’s all business, and if this is unfair to anyone, it’s Cain Velasquez. He was set to face Carwin for a title shot, but then Carwin gets the shot and Cain gets left behind. He then demolishes Ben Rothwell to still be left behind. He has a huge chance against Big Nog, and if he can win decisively against him, which is possible I guess, then people will have to take notice. Right now all Junior has done is send a fat out of shape Werdum out of the UFC, beat a talented but green newcomer, and an over the hill veteran. Obviously he is going to back his partner up but the fact is Nogueira came off of a just embarrassing loss against Mir, no matter how you cut it. No he shouldn’t have been in the ring and I believe it would have been very different had he been healthy but the loss looks the same on his record. Beating Randy doesn’t justify a title shot, not at this point in his career.

    Frank also doesn’t exactly deserve a shot after beating Cheick Kongo, but he sells fights, and the possibility of Lesnar/Mir III sounds like money to Dana.

  • fanoftna33 says:

    This match does make sense, but if they had put Minaturo in instead of Mir it would be just as fair, the problem being that Minaturo has another case of staph to get over with and Mir is ready to go, I dont think Minaturo has to long to wait until he gets another shot at a belt anyway.

  • Rich S. says:

    He has the right to be mad..

    I’m a fan of Carwin’s, but so far all he’s proved is that he has heavy hands, and his only big win is over Gabriel Gonzaga..

    Mir is a good heavyweight, but surely the only reason he’s getting the interim shot is his name.. I don’t think ONE win over a mid-tier Heavyweight should really get you right back to a title shot..

    Dos Santos on the other hand, burst on to the scene knocking out a top ten HW, then went on to knock out rising star, Struve, and the legend himself, Cro Cop..

    He really should be in the title picture right now.. If he beats Yvel, they won’t be able to deny him much longer..

  • king mah mah says:

    I’m going to use a quote from Not Another Teen Movie.

    “Cry me a river dickface!” LOL

  • Davey D says:

    It may not be fair but I believe it is just. Zuffa has already promised Carwin a shot and Mir has already (no matter how you slice it) defeated Nogueira. With Carwin vs. Mir and Cain vs. ARMN set. I think the UFC has their HW divison track back in line should Brock not be able to return. Lesnar (IMO) should get a chance to fight for his Title if he is ever cleared.

    Yvel vs. JDS is a very exciting bout. The winner could possibly be one win away from fighting the (Interim) Champ after the Big Two fight’s happen in 2010. It sucks that Brock Lesnar went down but the UFC knows what they’re doing and I have faith that they’ll keep it exciting as usual.

  • submit662266 says:

    I agree with the first couple posts: UFC is a business, first and foremost. There is a long and storied list of who should have fought for a belt, but were snubbed. It is easier to recall fighters who were given title shots right out of the gate b/c they have a bigger name: Brock Lesnar, BJ Penn (UFC 63), Randy Couture (HW title vs. Sylvia), Vitor v. A. Silva, and the list goes on.

    It should not be surprising at all anymore when fighters like Dos Santos, Edgar, Florian, Marquardt, and others truly earn there way to the top, but get snubbed or put on the back burner.

  • submit662266 says:

    As far as the up-coming fight: I think the bigger better Mir will win. After his win, he will go on to dominate for quite some time after this. I thought Dos Santos was the man, and I really want to see him fight Mir, but Frank will be HW juggernaut.

    I think Dos Santos needs to beat either Velasquez, Nog, or Carwin, and then he will be moved to the front of the line for a title shot.

    I purposefully exclude Brock b/c he is still very sick. I hope he only focuses on getting better.

  • moosebaby02 says:

    Rich S
    he wasnt crying for himself but for his good friend Nog.
    as for him being in the title picture why?? Just cause Dana and Zuff tell you Werdum is a top ten HW dosent mean he is. Thats their job to tell us that so they can make as much money as possiable. Struve is talented but way to green to be boasting about. And EVERYONE COULD SEE that Cro Cop didnt want to be in that ring that night.
    Dos Santos will have to get in line with the likes of Cain, Nog, Barry, Big Boy Roy Nelson (oh ya i think Nelson will not only make noise in the HW div but put alot of you nay sayers in your place).
    Its Funny that since the Big Nasty Brock (ya that should be his nick name) got sick how quick all these HW want to snag up the Intermship

  • Rich S. says:

    Oh wow I didn’t even read the full article because I thought Junior deserved a shot..
    So, I just assumed, he wanted it for himself..

  • D241 says:

    To 27jride regarding your post.

    Is a fight that literally happened over a year ago Nogueira/Mir considered recent? That fight happened over a year ago-FACT

    Shane Carwin and Junior Dos Santos have fought 3 times in UFC winning all three bouts-FACT
    Shane Carwin has wins over Christian Wellisch , Neil Wain, and Gabriel Gonzaga
    Junior Dos Santos has wins over Fabricio Werdum(who won his next fight), Stephon Struve(who won 3 fights after his loss to JDS), and Mirko Cro Cop.

    Advantage thus far-JDS

    Shane Carwin has fought 1 time in 2009 and given a title shot.-FACT
    JDS has fought two times in 2009 and is not getting a title shot-FACT

    Now the only argument to be made is that for purely marketing purposes only, Shane Carwin might be a better marketable fighter, he’s American, he’s big, he speaks English fluently.
    UFC has been guilty numerous times of saying a fighter is top ten, top 5 in the world, but obviously UFC is biased and not even considering fighters not under their brand.

    What I’d like to happen would be two things:
    UFC polls the fans either online and/or over phone voting or text voting to see what match ups the fans want to see instead of UFC deciding for us.
    2nd thing is an international ranking system where 5 unbiased mma experts who have no ties with any fight promotion rank every fighter based on certain criteria. Certain criteria also debatable but I’d like it to be based on opponents faced, performance in their fights, previous fights of fighters career.

  • D241 says:

    Also just because a fighter is “promised” a title shot does not mean he should or would get a title shot. See Dan Henderson for example.

  • retrofitting123 says:

    we all spoke of a possible mir carwin fight after 107 and when it was announced i was exited.carwin was next in like if for no other reason the fans were beggin to see brock and a similar size wrestler..JDS is great but you cant deny carwin an income while lesnar is sick,nog has staph and hes already been postponed twice.So if carwin was an automatic fill in then the logical and ready opponent was mir.I couldnt see it any other way without a massive uproar.Im excited

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    D241 the UFC will never want an International ranking system only a UFC ranking system if one at all. I would love for a fair one to be put in place, 1 because guys like Baroni and Kimbo would be announced with “ranked no.155 in the world” or whatever and 2 because then we would be able to say that this guy or that guy is deserving of a title shot and that guy isn’t. In my opinion it should work something like this, any win over a top 30 =2 points, over top 20=3 points, top 10=5 points and any other = 1 point, over the last say… 3-5 years. Losses would be -2 or 3 points. You could add things in like A champion or GP winner of a major MMA org (UFC, Dream, SF, Sengoku) =so many extra points and 3 losses in a row = minus so many points or whatever. I don’t know but it seems fair to me. We need something like this but in order for it to work properly we need all fighters available to fight all other fighters. I’m not saying that the highest ranked fighter gets the title shot every time but…ya know. But could you imagine the UFC introducing Lesnar the UFC HW champ with “ranked 5th in the world” or whatever. I don’t think so.

  • redness says:

    In my option carwin was given the shot over Cain and Dos Santos because the UFC thought it would be a bigger test for Brock with his wrestling and size.

  • Makington says:

    I don’t think a point system would work in the slightest Logic. No offense intended, but fighting just isn’t an exact science. There is no way to actually say someone is a better fighter than the other because it’s always changing, and the result will be different every night. In a point system Shogun would have just had a -3 added to his score in a bout that didn’t bring his stock down at all. If anything, Shogun has earned more credit among fans. Jon Jones as well. He has basically climbed the rankings and will be given a tougher fight than Hamill next time even though he lost that one as well.

    @D241 Dos Santos doesn’t want the title shot himself per say, he was campaigning for his buddy Big Nog. I’m not going over the many, many arguments why or why he shouldn’t get the title shot but there’s no extremely compelling, obvious reason he should. I personally believe there are more reason why Nog hasn’t earned it yet, but I feel the same about Mir so whatever. I said earlier that if anyone is getting snubbed, it has to be Cain Velasquez but he has his chance soon.

    Your other ideas were the ones that sounded better in theory but would bomb completely in real life. Letting fans pick title shots would be ridiculous, because then it basically becomes a popularity contest. We’d be watching Chuck vs. Tito 39 this weekend if that were the case. The UFC picks the fights for us, and it’s their promotion. They don’t make us watch, and they don’t make the fighters fight for them (in the literal sense), so it’s fair that they run their end, and we enjoy our end. It’s like when you elect an official into power. They can now do whatever they feel like doing, and we have to trust them because we put them there in the first place.

    And there will never be an absolute ranking system because everyone looks at things differently. Some people would look at Mir’s victory over Brock as a great victory because he pulled a slick sub from the brink of defeat and put him even higher. Some would just call him lucky and not count it as much of a win. Sorry to bust your balls and everything but I don’t think it would work.

    Phew, carpel tunnel.

  • BigDave says:

    This whole discussion is so not needed because there isnt a hw in the ufc that can beat velasquez so let this all play out carwin will slaughter mir, Cain will retire nog then Cain will walk through carwin and hopefully by the brock will be ready to catch a beating.

  • Jstew3785 says:

    king mah mah: I’m going to use a quote from Not Another Teen Movie.“Cry me a river dickface!” LOL

    HAHHAHAHA! Love that quote. I say it all the time, which doesn’t make the wife too happy.

  • D241 says:

    The latest from DW-

    “At the end of the UFC 108 Countdown show that aired on Tuesday night, UFC President Dana White made an interesting comment about the importance of the heavyweight bout between Junior dos Santos and Gilbert Yvel.

    “If Junior dos Santos goes in there and knocks this guy out, he’s there,” White said. “He’s ready for that title shot.”

    Is that really true? Could dos Santos get a title shot in his next fight if he knocks Yvel out? “

  • Makington says:

    Knocking him out doesn’t seem that special to me. It’s probably Dana just hyping the fight trying to make it seem more important. I think the fight with the most riding on it is Big Nog and Velasquez.

    Junior could take Yvel down for an easy win, although he might get bitten, or the ref might get hit.

  • justjohn says:

    Wow…how about a little cheese to go with that whine Junior? As many have commented, this is a business and it’s less about fairness and more about selling tickets. Mir, despite his annoying trash talk, is a former champ and former interim champ and Carwin has been built up as the guy to knock down Lesnar. It’s a smart match. So Junior beat Struve and Cro Cop…so what? Struve is just a kid still learning and improving, and Cro Cop is (sadly) a shadow of his former self. I don’t see that he’s moved into title contention just yet. Soon, but not quite yet.

  • Rece Rock says:

    D241 –

    DW can say whatever he wants and whose going to make him stick to his words? – the fans? words are just words until they are put on paper and agreed upon or when the words take action.

    Once again DW, living the the American Dream…sayin’ what he likes whenever he likes it’s a free country baby!

    P.S. I do not dislike DW if anything I envy him for having one of the best jobs in the world.

  • RU486 says:

    Big Nog is out of about the top 5 or 6 heavyweights in the UFC the LEAST deserving of a title shot. Since debuting in the UFC 3 years ago he has had the following fights/outcomes:

    1. Decision over Heath Herring.
    2. Sub Win over Tim Sylvia, who put a beating on him for 20 minutes
    3. KO loss to Frank Mir
    4. A decision victory over Randy Couture (although great in his time, should never ever be considered a top tier fighter anymore)

    Therefore what about this warrants him getting a shot? Junior deserves one before Nog. Realistically there are about 5 fighters at the top of the HW division, all deserving title shots in their own right. But you can’t put all your eggs in one basket. You have to save some room for future title bouts.

    Carwin vs Mir is an excellent interim fight. If Carwin can win this one, he will have validated himself and proven to be deserving of the matchup with Lesnar when he’s healthy to unify the belts. Mir in the last 2 1/2 years has defeated Hardonck, Lesnar, Nogueira, and humiliated Kongo, with his only loss coming to Lesnar at 100. With a Mir victory, we get to see the rubber match.

    In the event Lesnar doesn’t return, we can look forward to Carwin vs Dos Santos, Mir vs Velasquez, Nog vs Carwin, or Junior vs Mir. There are a lot of exciting HW matchups to come over the next 12 months or so.

  • king mah mah says:

    WHAT?! I got over 30 thumbs down for a sweet movie reference that fit this article perfectly?!

    I give up! You people need to lighten up!

  • king mah mah says:

    @Jstew3785- LOL, yeah me and a couple buddies from work used to say that line at work over the radio all the time. Didn’t use it in front of my wife though! LOL

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