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The Future of The Ultimate Fighter

With Roy Nelson being crowned the newest “Ultimate Fighter” at the show’s standard conclusive event last Saturday night you’re likely to hear chatter from fans and media turn to the futures of those involved in Version 10 and how they stack up to previous seasons. Opinions will almost certainly vary in terms of which fighter has the most promise, which coach came out of things looking better/worse, and whether or not Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell make good team-heads for the next incarnation of the long-running reality series. It’s a fairly cyclical process and, similar to the actual program being discussed, one that’s become fairly stagnant in nature.

When Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar duked it out in 2005 things were different. The pool of available talent was deeper, as evident by the first few casts’ collective success inside the Octagon, and the concept was fresher. While much has changed on the front end of that equation – after all, barely half of the TUF 10 fighters were even booked for the finale – the opposite can be said where alterations to the format are concerned. The contestants continue to be locked in a house with access to a plethora of alcohol and the inability to watch television, use the internet, or even talk to loved ones at home. They go to the UFC Training Center, fight multiple times in a tournament with brackets influenced by organizational president Dana White, and will occasionally soak up useful information at some point throughout the whirlwind process. It’s become more of a promotional tool for future PPV main event bouts between coaches rather than a medium for discovering talent or conveying the true story of what it means to be a Mixed Martial Artist…err, “Ultimate Fighter”.

The importance of providing original MMA-related programming on an outlet as accessible to the mainstream as Spike TV cannot be underestimated. It carries the power to educate onlookers while eliminating preconceived biases they may have had going into the show by doing so. Athletes are given the chance to brand themselves to the public and potentially make a living doing something they love for the next 10-15 years of their lives. However, while the numbers brought in by Kimbo Slice may look nice in the short term, the future appears bleak for TUF without one or more significant changes to the way it’s produced. This is evident by the difference in viewership of episodes not featuring the bearded brawler from Miami and the continuing decline in ratings the show has seen over the last few seasons. It has already become stale in the eyes of many fans due its repetitive “storylines” and the less-than stellar talent being booked in the house these days. The interest in standard reality television formats like “people locked in a house” is also dipping across the board due to an abundance of similar programs oversaturating the market and the collective A.D.D. of our nation’s inhabitants.

It is time for “The Ultimate Fighter” to evolve in the same way the term’s human counterparts have grown from one-dimensional strikers and grapplers into elite athletes who are highly trained in multiple disciplines. Here are four suggestions on how the UFC can re-inject a little excitement into TUF. All are realistic options…

No More House: The walls of the TUF mansion need to be flattened and not by drunken 22-year olds with anger management issues. Bring in a professional construction crew to rip down the airbrush-adorned structure and let Quinton Jackson clean up any doors left lingering. Moving production around to different locales would immediately add a new dimension to affected seasons. Have the group travel to various notable training camps in North America, even if it means making them live on a tour bus in-between destinations to add tension and increase the likelihood of drama. Give fans a peak at how things run at gyms like American Kickboxing Academy, American Top Team, XTreme Couture, and Greg Jackson’s Submission Fighting. Send the final four men and both coaches to one of the birthplaces of techniques frequently used in MMA to highlight the skill’s history and take advantage of the visuals a foreign landscape provides.

Strip away the Hollywood aspect at some point in the season and have cameras follow TUF participants home so viewers have a better feel for each individual’s circumstances. What better way to invite personal investment in the fighters’ futures than to introduce the audience to ailing mothers, charming wives, or adorable children? Why not allow for potentially polarizing moments to occur whether in relation to a Mixed Martial Artist’s blue collar work ethic or love of strippers and booze? If the UFC wants to truly see what their potential employees are made of it seems allowing them to go about their semi-regular lives is a better means to obtaining that information than sticking them in a million-dollar house and world class facility. See how they approach things when they’re away from the glitz and glamour of the show rather than create an unrealistic situation for them to train in.

Veterans vs. Rookies: The Ultimate Fighter has generally made a name for itself by bringing in fresh talent, but it wasn’t too long ago Matt Serra and Travis Lutter emerged from “The Comeback” to give memorable performances against two of the top pound-for-pound Mixed Martial Artists in the sport. Combine the two and bring the groups together, pitting recognizable older fighters who have already graced the Octagon against those who want nothing more than an opportunity to step into the famous structure just once. Old vs. New is an easy concept to sell to the audience and interactions between the two sets would certainly be interesting. Hell, if the producers want to be downright sadistic, they can even say any fighter who loses his first-round appearance will be ineligible to appear on a UFC card for the next full year if ever at all.

Live Semi-Finals: Few things in MMA are as exciting as the element of unknown a live fight brings to the table. It also eliminates the possibility of spoiler results being leaked or even hinted at. Throwing a “real time” element into the Ultimate Fighter would certainly involve a great deal of planning and hard work on the part of the crew due to the change, but the same can be said for a caterpillar’s transformation into a butterfly so it’s not to say the blood, sweat, and tears wouldn’t be worth it.

The segment of the season where numbers are whittled down to four athletes would proceed as it typically does. Those 8-10 episodes would introduce the fighters and highlight interesting or relevant happenings occurring during the taping period. The semi-finalists’ training would take place during those months with live action scheduled for two weeks after the lone spot has been locked up on television. The brief break would allow for a program recapping the season, as well as an opportunity to create material for rounding out portions of the event not featuring actual action such as fighter interviews and training video.

As a result of the shift in programming the Finale would need to take place 2-4 weeks after the last two men are left standing as opposed to how it is currently set up in order to let them heal/train. The gap could be used to build the public’s interest in the match-up, and while the reduced time for both rest and preparation might affect an individual’s eventual performance, plenty of legitimate MMA tournaments occur where top level athletes fight twice on the same night, let alone twice in the same month. In that regard the concept is not far-fetched nor would it be considered extraordinary by most fans’ standards.

Reinstate Team/Individual Challenges: The past ten offerings from the Ultimate Fighter have been filled with a number of memorable moments and yet how many of them were of a positive nature? When people look back at TUF do more recall the incredible effort and determination shown by Joe Stevenson during the “scarecrow” challenge in Season Two than Junie Browning’s antics or the backyard brawl between Marlon Sims and Noah Thomas? It’s likely the latter stands out in most viewers’ minds, and that’s a shame Zuffa should bow their collective heads in embarrassment about. However, don’t expect such humility to surface at any point in the near future, as “The Most Technical Street Fight Ever” was ranked #5 on UFC’s “Tuffest 25 Moments” with “Scarecrow” ten slots down from it at fifteen.

As is the driving force behind all the suggestions in this column, including this one, it’s time to change the perception of what the Ultimate Fighter is about. Reinstating challenges would provide a positive outlet for unleashing pent up energy or aggression and a means for keeping the athletes mentally and physically sharp. It would also offer something generally entertaining to watch on television. Create an obstacle course relay with the winning team getting an evening out at a Las Vegas sushi spot. Have a puzzle requiring teamwork to solve with the victorious group attending a local MMA event alongside Dana White. Towards the end, implement individual challenges where fighters can earn an opportunity to receive private training from a specialist, spa treatment, top of the line gear including a professionally molded mouthguard, or some alone time with loved ones. Fans witness how hard it is for the fighters to be away from their children and significant others. Imagine when an individual who is perceived to be a killing machine in the cage breaks down in tears because he has a chance to see his family after being away for eight weeks. Or, perhaps in a less emotional moment, think about the comedic potential involved in having the contestants conquer their fears. Those things don’t weaken their profiles. It strengthens them. Because, similar to the first season or two of TUF, they remind viewers that the men in the Octagon aren’t violence-loving thugs but rather real human beings not so different from themselves.

In summary, it is time for those birthed the Ultimate Fighter to start creating original, memorable moments serving the cause of Mixed Martial Arts instead of weakening it. Work with the talent offered by not only fostering their in-ring techniques but their behavior outside of the cage as well. It doesn’t take a room full of blue-chip prospects or outlandish personalities to create an enjoyable product. It takes the abilities to both look inward and think outside the box; to make changes before it’s too late to do so. There is not another Kimbo on the radar to serve as a ratings boost and numbers will be back to the diminishing level they were at prior to his arrival this past season. Not only do fans, fighters, and the sport deserve better, but a franchise seen by most as the catalyst for the UFC’s current success should be treated with more respect than to do nothing while crumbling around its very architects.

36 COMMENTS
  • Nick Havok says:

    Here is a 5th suggestion…

    Remove Dana White from the show completely.

    Nobody cares what that d-bag has to say. Besides, the show is about fighters…not him (but I don’t think he understands that). And I for one think the show would be much better if we didn’t have to be subjected to his idiotic opinions every 3 minutes.

    …but I will admit, it is funny to watch him continuously make stupid pre-fight comments that never come true.

  • fanoftna33 says:

    Dana did make a complete ass of himself this season constantly putting Roy down, and predicting his next fight would be his last, getting rid of his opinions would be a welcome addition to the next season, but with Chuck and Tito as coaches I belive Dana will really have to work to outshine thoes two.

  • Scott H. says:

    Really good article Brendhan.

    I pretty much agree with everything you’ve written.

    A couple further questions jump to mind: What did you think of the US vs. the UK format, and do you think that can be tweaked somehow to keep it interesting. I don’t think you could do it all the time, but again, I think Rookies vs. Old timers would need to get switched up after once or twice.

    The one knock I kind of have about the young vs. old concept, is that on some occasions, we’ve seen older more experienced fighters have a positive impact on some of the younger fighters in the hosue, and would seperating the two groups not take away from that?

    Lastly, just my two cents, I enjoy Dana being part of the show.

  • impact1 says:

    Good article Brendhan… I remember great storylines being built through “The Contender” show a few years ago. Those guys lived in the same house until a couple nights before the fight when they were moved to a seperate dwelling with their families. We saw the family interaction and support, and revelations about the fighters true character and viewers were able to truly understand the motivation of each of these fighters. It was engaging becuase we didn’t only see a fighter (like we see on the current TUF show), we came to know the person.
    This addition to the show would help build a fighters brand as more people would be able to connect themselves to a fighter (much like your article recommended).
    You should request becoming a producer on next years TUF show… a lot of those recommendations would add some new flare to the show.

  • Jak says:

    It’s funny, it wasn’t that long ago that they had the UK vs. the US and it was a great show.

    They barely focused on the coaches, a little bit, but not much. Yet they had a classic fight between them. They had good opening round fights, they had good fights, an amazing finale, and everybody was happy.

    Unfortunately that was sandwiched between seasons that included Junie Browning and Kimbo Slice.

    They should do another comeback type show. It’s good to actually watch good fighter fight. not inexperienced fighters gas and quit.

  • sexy-yama says:

    nick havok your comment sucks balls,just wanted to say that have a nice day and get a clue,get rid of dana, no way!

  • Con says:

    What about UFC vets vs. former Ultimate Fighter contestants? Did’nt Bobby Southworth tryout for UF again anyway?

  • Dufresne says:

    I like most of those ideas, especially the one about going to different gyms.

    Here’s another one that I would like to see, Gym v Gym. There are some amazing gyms that have a huge amount of unknown talent that really just needs exposure. In North America alone we have ATT, AKA, Extreme Cotoure, HIT Squad, Team Quest, Miletich and probably a few that I’m forgetting. If you throw in international gyms you’re looking at 20+ big time gyms.

    The one thing I don’t agree with is the giving them time with specialist trainers or the best gear as rewards. I personally think that every competitor should have the same opportunities for training, and gear should always be top of the line especially when it comes to safety (mouth guards, cups, etc..)
    If you’re going to be giving them individual rewards I like the idea of spa treatments or maybe something like phone time, dinner out with the coaches, or maybe even a big group night out for the guys that make it to the semi-finals.

  • Makington says:

    I like what Nick usually has to say, but even he could admit he usually tees off a little too hard on Dana. Obviously he isn’t the only one who doesn’t like him but oh boy does he hate him. I think if I knew Dana personally I would like him more but all we see is when he’s being ‘Promoter Dana’ which is when he acts like a little kid by insulting everything that isn’t UFC. Good point at the end though Nick. I have noticed that about 95% of the time, when Dana gives a pre-fight prediction, whoever he picks to win will lose. It’s become quite reliable in picking the winner.

    I liked your last point Brendhan. I always found those exercises kind of enertaining, and even adopted the sock one at my gym. It’s fun as hell when you have to wrestle on your knees only and take the socks off your opponent.

  • Dufresne says:

    Makington: . I think if I knew Dana personally I would like him more but all we see is when he’s being ‘Promoter Dana’ which is when he acts like a little kid by insulting everything that isn’t UFC.

    I think you probably would. I’ve met him a couple of times, and he’s actually a pretty cool guy to hang out and have a drink with.
    I will admit to not liking a lot of his antics or some of the bashing he does, but it’s how he does his job and like it or not, he’s been pretty successful so far.

  • Nick Havok says:

    sexy-yama: nick havok your comment sucks balls,just wanted to say that have a nice day and get a clue,get rid of dana, no way!

    I like how my comment was blocked…but not only did you take the time to read it.

    But you responded to it as well.

    I guess I’m doing something right. :)

  • xxDejay032xx says:

    I think you need to go back to mmajunkie Nick, and quit telling your nonsense on these posts! And really? Get rid of Dana? It’s because of him that the ufc and tuf are where they are now, and it’s just going to keep getting bigger.

  • Scott H. says:

    Nick Havok: like how my comment was blocked…but not only did you take the time to read it.
    But you responded to it as well.

    I think your on to something Nick…

    The majority of people find your comments and general hatred small minded and petty, but it’s like driving past an car accident on the highway, they have to slow down and look.

    On your part, you just love argueing with people, and are of course always right.

    I think you should create your own website, where you exlusively post your thoughts and opinions, and you can ridicule those who don’t get agree with you.

    Of course that would mean you’d no longer be posting here, but I’m sure we’d get along just fine without you after a while, and if we ever wanted to give you a thumbs down, we could just go to… somebody help me, what should the name of Nick’s own web site be?

  • Nick Havok says:

    xxDejay032xx: Get rid of Dana? It’s because of him that the ufc and tuf are where they are now, and it’s just going to keep getting bigger.

    I couldn’t disagree more.

    I credit MMA’s success to the fighters. They are who I tune in to see…not an ass-stain like Dana White.

    I mean MMA could lose a personality like Dana White and not even skip a beat…but what would happen if it lost the fighters? Where would the sport be then?

    Answer: It would be gone.

  • Dufresne says:

    danaistheantichrist.com or lesnarisanuntalentedouchebag.com

  • Nick Havok says:

    Scott H.: I think your on to something Nick… The majority of people find your comments and general hatred small minded and petty, but it’s like driving past an car accident on the highway, they have to slow down and look. On your part, you just love argueing with people, and are of course always right.I think you should create your own website, where you exlusively post your thoughts and opinions, and you can ridicule those who don’t get agree with you.Of course that would mean you’d no longer be posting here, but I’m sure we’d get along just fine without you after a while, and if we ever wanted to give you a thumbs down, we could just go to… somebody help me, what should the name of Nick’s own web site be?

    Why do people feel the need to make everything about me?

  • ndizzle says:

    xxDejay032xx: I think you need to go back to mmajunkie Nick, and quit telling your nonsense on these posts! And really? Get rid of Dana? It’s because of him that the ufc and tuf are where they are now, and it’s just going to keep getting bigger.

    its because dana and the ufc needed something because they were losing alot of money and decided to throw a reality show on where people can see them on t.v,and follow them and throw them on ppv so people can buy,thats when ufc really rose and got alot of attention.tuf made ufc what it is.

  • xxDejay032xx says:

    Nick Havok:
    I couldn’t disagree more.I credit MMA’s success to the fighters. They are who I tune in to see…not an ass-stain like Dana White.I mean MMA could lose a personality like Dana White and not even skip a beat…but what would happen if it lost the fighters? Where would the sport be then?Answer: It would be gone.

    Your absolutely right the fighters make MMA but that is not what I said, I was strictly saying Dana white started and got the UFC to where it’s at, he is an ass and a prick but he is a great business man he knows how to get viewers..

  • Makington says:

    Hmmm, I like your insight Dejay.

    :)

  • Scott H. says:

    Nick Havok: credit MMA’s success to the fighters. They are who I tune in to see…

    While I understand what you are saying, I have to disagree.

    Plenty of MMA organisations have failed, but none of those failures were because they didn’t have fighters…

    They failed for a variety of reasons, mostly management related.

  • roshambo says:

    Nick Havok: I couldn’t disagree more.I credit MMA’s success to the fighters. They are who I tune in to see…not an ass-stain like Dana White.I mean MMA could lose a personality like Dana White and not even skip a beat…but what would happen if it lost the fighters? Where would the sport be then?Answer: It would be gone.

    This is so very true. While some people love Dana White, some despise him and some are in the middle, there will be a day that Dana White is no longer the man in charge. When that day comes, if they have the caliber of fighters they have now, they will continue on being the Number 1 organization in MMA. If in getting to that day, Dana White continues to piss off fighters and sends them fleeing to other organizations, the UFC will become a shell of it’s original shelf, will be left with B rate fighters and many fans will jump ship to the other organizations that have the best fighters. You would have many fans talking the same smack that they do right now about every other organization out there. It would be the oh who cares about them, they only have 4 good fighters mentality. UFC can get by without Dana but they can not get by without the fighters. The fights are what we all tune in to see.

  • Nick Havok says:

    Scott H.: While I understand what you are saying, I have to disagree.Plenty of MMA organisations have failed, but none of those failures were because they didn’t have fighters…They failed for a variety of reasons, mostly management related.

    What if they failed as a direct result of Dana White trying to put them out (like he so often tries)?

    Would you still credit much of MMA’s success to him?

    Because I sure as shit wouldn’t.

    Yeah, he is strengthening his own brand by doing this…but at the same time, he is shitting all over and weakening the sport of MMA in the process.

    This is unacceptable to me.

    And for all I care, anyone who tries to take my MMA away can burn in hell.

  • Scott H. says:

    Nick Havok: What if they failed as a direct result of Dana White trying to put them out (like he so often tries)?

    That is compitition at work.

    Nick Havok: Would you still credit much of MMA’s success to him?

    Yes. MMA back on PPV, Credit to Dana and the UFC. MMA on Cable, thank you Dana. MMA legalised in more states then I can keep track of, thank you UFC . Regular, entertaining and competative events on PPV and Cable, Thank you Dana, Joe Silva, and the UFC!

    Nick Havok: Because I sure as shit wouldn’t.
    Yeah, he is strengthening his own brand by doing this…but at the same time, he is shitting all over and weakening the sport of MMA in the process.
    This is unacceptable to me.
    And for all I care, anyone who tries to take my MMA away can burn in hell.

    This is just ridiculous, really. How can you hate someone for running a successful business, and providing entertainment to you? I don’t think I’ll ever understand.

  • Brendhan Conlan says:

    I actually meant to include the possibility of ex-TUF contestants vs. new TUF contestants in the vets/rookies section and blanked on it for some reason. Glad to see someone else thought of the concept too.

  • Nick Havok says:

    Scott H.: How can you hate someone for running a successful business, and providing entertainment to you? I don’t think I’ll ever understand.

    You can’t understand why the UFC running other MMA promotions out of business would make a hardcore fan like me mad?

    Really?

    What part don’t you understand?

    And honestly, I’m not all too excited about having to PAY PER VIEW anytime some decent MMA comes on. I mean the UFC is the only one that charges…all other promotion just require me to turn the TV on to watch.

    So when those free shows are ripped away from me…it makes me mad.

    If the UFC was responsible…then I will focus that hate on them. It’s pretty simple cause-and-effect really.

  • Brendhan Conlan says:

    Haha…and I felt so proud when I logged in today and saw 23 comments! Little did I realize 70% of them were related to a poster’s hate of Dana White.

    As far as gym vs. gym I think it would be difficult because of the weight-classes. All those places listed have lots of talent in them but not enough to put up 8-16 guys in any singular division.

  • Nick Havok says:

    Sorry Brendan. I read your article and liked it.

    But I truly think removing Dana would make the show a whole hell of a lot better.

    It’s not my fault everyone wants to argue with me about it.

  • Scott H. says:

    Nick Havok: You can’t understand why the UFC running other MMA promotions out of business would make a hardcore fan like me mad?
    Really?
    What part don’t you understand?
    And honestly, I’m not all too excited about having to PAY PER VIEW anytime some decent MMA comes on. I mean the UFC is the only one that charges…all other promotion just require me to turn the TV on to watch.
    So when those free shows are ripped away from me…it makes me mad.
    If the UFC was responsible…then I will focus that hate on them. It’s pretty simple cause-and-effect really.

    Wow, that evil genius, Dana White…

    Counter Programing Affliction PPV’s… what kind of Nostradamus could have predicted that?

    But, that pales in comparison to what he did to Elite XC. His origional plan to convince them that Ken Shamrock was no threat to Kimbo was foiled by a fluke cut. Who’d have thought that he’d have placed Seth Petruzelli deep undercover as a back up, cleverly disquised as a failed TUF fighter…

    Dana must have pretended to be friends with Kurt Otto and Gareb Shamus of the IFL, and talked them into the team concept (and stupid team names like the Quad City Silverbacks)!

    And who else but Dana could have thought up the Yamma Pit concept, and secretly convince Robert Meyrowitz that it was a good idea!

    You’ve recognised something I had not. you’ve opened my eyes, Dana clearly is evil, and it is perfectly reasonable that you focus your hate on the UFC. Please, carry on.

    I shall now take Sergio Hernandez’s advice from another thread…

  • Brendhan Conlan says:

    Not blaming you and no apologies necessary. I don’t mind there being debate in the comments.

    In my opinion, removing Dana from the show would cause a lot of people to tune out. You may dislike him, and you are certainly not alone in that distinction, but the reality is that a lot of folks out there DO and aren’t so into MMA that they fully understand the silliness of certain things he says and does. He consistently is applauded when entering arenas – even at non UFC events. A lot of people feel like they can relate to him in the sense he’s a fan who had some rich connections and made a business gamble that paid off. He’s living his dream now. As polarizing as he may be it’s hard to hate that.

  • ndizzle says:

    Scott H.: You’ve recognised something I had not. you’ve opened my eyes, Dana clearly is evil, and it is perfectly reasonable that you focus your hate on the UFC. Please, carry on.I shall now take Sergio Hernandez’s advice from another thread…

    i think havoc don’t like ufc for several reasons.

    ufc os a monopoly that uses cut-throat methods and shady buisness practices to corner the market by completely decapitating the
    competition using whatever means necessary whether that be through corruption and cohersion and/or media manipulation.another can be

    another can be that ufc was bout to aproved in ufc in nevada,just around midnight one of the commisioners denied that commish was lorenzo,later to become owner that he denied,then brings in ratner

    The ufc and especially their puppet mouthpiece Dana , use the same
    strong-arm tactics to achieve what they want.they character assasinate fighters who might not want to sign a contract which is made to endebt you forever and surrender your natural resources

    When they don’t get what they want, first they throw money at the problem, if the economic hitman approach doesn’t work, then you send in the jackal (Dana White, and if he fails, Lorenzo Fertitta) whom then proceed to change public perception and opinion against the subject and try have him comply that way , through public pressure . When that doesn’t work then they take you out with whatever dirty means neccesary like pulling some strings in order to tank other promotions like counterprogramming spike tv attacks , and publicly degrading legit and skilled fighters , thus forcefully decreasing their perceived market value as a fighter or legitimacy as a viable organization or fight promotion.Some would argue that these are good buisness practices but those replies usually come from American fans who can’t always see the reality because they are *living inside the bubble and are programmed to be sheeple and
    not question why exactly is it that Dana White can get away with lying ,misleading the public , and insulting others without reprimand while others can’t?

    the way randy couture was fighting the campions clause for bout year year before giving up,if he did keep fighting it,there is no gaurantee he would win a nevada court system with judges like the Xyience/Bergeron case judge who got elected with campaign money from the ufc owners Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta. Also , if the mma websites say anything negative about Dana , he has ammunition to not give them media credentials for live events .Its one thing to be an activist if you are trying to root out , lets say , steroids or the mafia from the mma scene. Its another thing to become an activist and to huff and puff when a fighter like Fedor doesnt sign with your favorite fight promotion

    Dana and Lorenzo promised to keep pride going only to later admit they
    bought their competitor out to eliminate the threat and had no real intentions
    of ever making that super bowl of mma that they promised.

    Dana White lies and never gets reprimanded for it , Not only does he lie and try to steer public opinion against fighters, he also curses and insults reporters and fighter managers and promotors themselves. The only reporters that consistently ask the
    relevant questions and have the balls to confront him are Josh Gross, Loreta Hunt, Ariel Helwani , (and even though he isn’t a reporter) Jerry Millen and maybe one
    or two more. The others follow the same pattern of brown nosing questions typical of mainstream media owned by Texas-based Clear Channel
    communications which is a known subsidiary of Bush inc. In other words , the message transmitted is unfortunately manipulated , controlled and spoonfed to these
    ignorant fans who buy it up time after time , lie after lie , not considering at all the times Dana has been caught lying before. His credibilty should be zero
    with the public by now and he should be treated as such and not admired for his awful self serving media spinning abilities or his buisness savy which is really just thuggish negotiation.

    He doesnt aprreciate MMA as a beautifull form of combative art , he thinks of mma as ufc, and ufc is this hoe that he is pimping and milking for all its worth while its popular. He is robbing the culture out of fighting and making it mainstream which only degrates it when you have ignorant fans that write JUST BLEED on their foreheads and boo all night long during beautiful jiu jitsu transitions.

    i think thats what havok is talking bout and i agree
    oh and thanks soldier

  • Nick Havok says:

    ndizzle: i think havoc don’t like ufc for several reasons.ufc os a monopoly that uses cut-throat methods and shady buisness practices to corner the market by completely decapitating thecompetition using whatever means necessary whether that be through corruption and cohersion and/or media manipulation.another can be another can be that ufc was bout to aproved in ufc in nevada,just around midnight one of the commisioners denied that commish was lorenzo,later to become owner that he denied,then brings in ratnerThe ufc and especially their puppet mouthpiece Dana , use the samestrong-arm tactics to achieve what they want.they character assasinate fighters who might not want to sign a contract which is made to endebt you forever and surrender your natural resourcesWhen they don’t get what they want, first they throw money at the problem, if the economic hitman approach doesn’t work, then you send in the jackal (Dana White, and if he fails, Lorenzo Fertitta) whom then proceed to change public perception and opinion against the subject and try have him comply that way , through public pressure . When that doesn’t work then they take you out with whatever dirty means neccesary like pulling some strings in order to tank other promotions like counterprogramming spike tv attacks , and publicly degrading legit and skilled fighters , thus forcefully decreasing their perceived market value as a fighter or legitimacy as a viable organization or fight promotion.Some would argue that these are good buisness practices but those replies usually come from American fans who can’t always see the reality because they are *living inside the bubble and are programmed to be sheeple andnot question why exactly is it that Dana White can get away with lying ,misleading the public , and insulting others without reprimand while others can’t? the way randy couture was fighting the campions clause for bout year year before giving up,if he did keep fighting it,there is no gaurantee he would win a nevada court system with judges like the Xyience/Bergeron case judge who got elected with campaign money from the ufc owners Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta. Also , if the mma websites say anything negative about Dana , he has ammunition to not give them media credentials for live events .Its one thing to be an activist if you are trying to root out , lets say , steroids or the mafia from the mma scene. Its another thing to become an activist and to huff and puff when a fighter like Fedor doesnt sign with your favorite fight promotionDana and Lorenzo promised to keep pride going only to later admit theybought their competitor out to eliminate the threat and had no real intentionsof ever making that super bowl of mma that they promised.Dana White lies and never gets reprimanded for it , Not only does he lie and try to steer public opinion against fighters, he also curses and insults reporters and fighter managers and promotors themselves. The only reporters that consistently ask therelevant questions and have the balls to confront him are Josh Gross, Loreta Hunt, Ariel Helwani , (and even though he isn’t a reporter) Jerry Millen and maybe oneor two more. The others follow the same pattern of brown nosing questions typical of mainstream media owned by Texas-based Clear Channelcommunications which is a known subsidiary of Bush inc. In other words , the message transmitted is unfortunately manipulated , controlled and spoonfed to theseignorant fans who buy it up time after time , lie after lie , not considering at all the times Dana has been caught lying before. His credibilty should be zerowith the public by now and he should be treated as such and not admired for his awful self serving media spinning abilities or his buisness savy which is really just thuggish negotiation.He doesnt aprreciate MMA as a beautifull form of combative art , he thinks of mma as ufc, and ufc is this hoe that he is pimping and milking for all its worth while its popular. He is robbing the culture out of fighting and making it mainstream which only degrates it when you have ignorant fans that write JUST BLEED on their foreheads and boo all night long during beautiful jiu jitsu transitions.i think thats what havok is talking bout and i agreeoh and thanks soldier

    A million thumbs up for that post!

    You completely nailed it. Grand slam. Hole-in-one! You said that so much better than I ever could have. I mean that was probably the best comment I have ever read in my life.

    My thanks are to you, ndizzle. That was pure awesomeness. :)

  • ndizzle says:

    Nick Havok: A million thumbs up for that post!You completely nailed it. Grand slam. Hole-in-one! You said that so much better than I ever could have. I mean that was probably the best comment I have ever read in my life.My thanks are to you, ndizzle. That was pure awesomeness.

    there more thats left out as well

  • Scott H. says:

    ndizzle:
    there more thats left out as well

    Hi nizzle.

    I was kind of done with this thread, but you seem to have put a lot into your post, so I ‘ll try to reply as best I can.

    I think all of us MMA fan’s are more or less aware of what you’ve noted, and while I may argue a couple of facts, I think it comes down to how you view things.

    I’d add Dave Meltzer’s name as an independent reporter, and I’d certainly take Jerry Millen’s name out… if you haven’t already, take a look back at what he was saying just before Pride was bought out by the UFC.

    Aside from that, I can only say I don’t view it the same way. I’m not sure how old you are, but I’m 41, and find myself more jaded and cynical every year. It takes a lot for me to become outraged or upset. Unless someone is completely abusing the defenseless (kid’s, dog’s, or old people), I don’t get worked up.

    I expect spin and self serving comments. I expect cut throat competition. I don’t see Dana as an out and out lier, I just see him as a business man. I don’t agree with a lot he does, like when he lashed out at Loretta Hunt (who is more then capable of looking after herself) or ex-UFC fighters… but I don’t see him as evil for doing so. He’s not a role model, but I don’t see him or the UFC as being any better or worse then any other company. Actually, a little better then most.

    I cheerfully give the UFC my money every month, and they do there best to provide me entertainment. As far as I know, they live up to every contract they sign, and fighters get all the money they have agreed to. The UFC does not steal from the elderly, engage in dog fighting, harm children, pollute the environment, take government money, or cheat on their taxes (that we know about). In my jaded, cynical view, they are above the low, low standards and expectations I have for behavior. Sad, but true.

    Thanks again for your thoughts, I found it really interesting. Scott

  • ndizzle says:

    Scott H.: Hi nizzle.I was kind of done with this thread, but you seem to have put a lot into your post, so I ‘ll try to reply as best I can.I think all of us MMA fan’s are more or less aware of what you’ve noted, and while I may argue a couple of facts, I think it comes down to how you view things.I’d add Dave Meltzer’s name as an independent reporter, and I’d certainly take Jerry Millen’s name out… if you haven’t already, take a look back at what he was saying just before Pride was bought out by the UFC. Aside from that, I can only say I don’t view it the same way. I’m not sure how old you are, but I’m 41, and find myself more jaded and cynical every year. It takes a lot for me to become outraged or upset. Unless someone is completely abusing the defenseless (kid’s, dog’s, or old people), I don’t get worked up.I expect spin and self serving comments. I expect cut throat competition. I don’t see Dana as an out and out lier, I just see him as a business man. I don’t agree with a lot he does, like when he lashed out at Loretta Hunt (who is more then capable of looking after herself) or ex-UFC fighters… but I don’t see him as evil for doing so. He’s not a role model, but I don’t see him or the UFC as being any better or worse then any other company. Actually, a little better then most.I cheerfully give the UFC my money every month, and they do there best to provide me entertainment. As far as I know, they live up to every contract they sign, and fighters get all the money they have agreed to. The UFC does not steal from the elderly, engage in dog fighting, harm children, pollute the environment, take government money, or cheat on their taxes (that we know about). In my jaded, cynical view, they are above the low, low standards and expectations I have for behavior. Sad, but true.Thanks again for your thoughts, I found it really interesting. Scott

    thanks alot man it i appreciate it

  • ndizzle says:

    Scott H.: Hi nizzle.I was kind of done with this thread, but you seem to have put a lot into your post, so I ‘ll try to reply as best I can.I think all of us MMA fan’s are more or less aware of what you’ve noted, and while I may argue a couple of facts, I think it comes down to how you view things.I’d add Dave Meltzer’s name as an independent reporter, and I’d certainly take Jerry Millen’s name out… if you haven’t already, take a look back at what he was saying just before Pride was bought out by the UFC. Aside from that, I can only say I don’t view it the same way. I’m not sure how old you are, but I’m 41, and find myself more jaded and cynical every year. It takes a lot for me to become outraged or upset. Unless someone is completely abusing the defenseless (kid’s, dog’s, or old people), I don’t get worked up.I expect spin and self serving comments. I expect cut throat competition. I don’t see Dana as an out and out lier, I just see him as a business man. I don’t agree with a lot he does, like when he lashed out at Loretta Hunt (who is more then capable of looking after herself) or ex-UFC fighters… but I don’t see him as evil for doing so. He’s not a role model, but I don’t see him or the UFC as being any better or worse then any other company. Actually, a little better then most.I cheerfully give the UFC my money every month, and they do there best to provide me entertainment. As far as I know, they live up to every contract they sign, and fighters get all the money they have agreed to. The UFC does not steal from the elderly, engage in dog fighting, harm children, pollute the environment, take government money, or cheat on their taxes (that we know about). In my jaded, cynical view, they are above the low, low standards and expectations I have for behavior. Sad, but true.Thanks again for your thoughts, I found it really interesting. Scott

    i dont hate on you giving them money havok stated why he doesnt like them,i figured this is why alot of them are facts not thoughts.only when i said fans cant see it thats probably a thought but most of it is facts.

  • fraz says:

    The No-house and the vets vs. rookies are excellent ideas.

    The live semis is a step in the right direction.

    The “more individual/group challenges” idea is HORRIBLE. Obstacle courses? Give us a break. We’d like TUF to be LESS like all those other pathetic road rules/real world/greatest race shows, not MORE like them.

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