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Roy Nelson vs. Kimbo Slice: It’s all about how you spin it baby!

danawhiteFor whatever reason, Roy “Big Country” Nelson being understandably excited after dominating Kimbo Slice during the tenth season of The Ultimate Fighter seemed to rub UFC President Dana White the wrong way, as he would go on to say, “This guy’s acting like the whole world should be blown away by his performance. Roy did just enough to win, and not get hit.”

But isn’t that the whole point. Hasn’t Lyoto Machida been praised in the past by Dana for the exact same thing? Of course Machida didn’t just embarrass one of the biggest cash cows in the business either.

Either way, credit should be given where credit is do. Nelson was in a couple of bad situations during the fight and used his experience in the sport to take the fight where he needed to, making his comments to FiveOuncesOfPain.com just before the airing of last evening’s bout make a lot more sense.

I’ve always made it a habit to use my opponents weaknesses against them, but in a format like this, you have to be a little more cautious abut what you do. Instead of throwing the whole kitchen sink, you may have to say, “Ehhhh, here’s just a little water”. Because the thing is that there’s been times that I’ve left it all out there and wound up breaking my hands, and that’s one thing on your mind; you don’t want to break your hands. You just play the safe mode, to just get the W.

My biggest thing with this fight was to take no damage, end the fight as fast as possible, and win. That was my gameplan going into the house regarding any of the bouts I may have ended up in. It didn’t matter if I punched the guy, or took him down. Whatever you had to do to get the W. It didn’t matter if it was the ugliest win on the show. As long as you got that win, that’s all that mattered. At the same time, you want to leave the bout with no injuries, and you just have to get it done. It’s not like a real fight. It’s not like you’re fighting for a payday. You just have to get it done, and then move on to the next fight.

Upon closer inspection of Wednesday night’s widely viewed episode of The Ultimate Fighter, one would have to try hard not to notice Roy discussing the exact same position he finished the fight with with other house members.

A master technician in the sport, Nelson revealed his extremely intelligent and calculated side when he discussed how counting the punches out loud would force the referee to stop the fight. When Roy’s team members did this in the bout, Herb Dean had no choice but to call a halt to the contest.

I’d relate this to Babe Ruth calling his shot in the fifth inning of Game 3 of the 1932 World Series. The only difference in Nelson’s case was that he called his shot the night before, and “The Bambino” wasn’t fighting a grizzly looking 230 pound power puncher by the name of Kimbo Slice.

I have already had to delete a couple of new users due to over the top fighter bashing in the direction of “Big Country”? I mean over the top, like Sylvester Stallone “Over the Top”. Some people are acting like Roy held them down in a crucifix position and battered their faces until Herb Dean was forced to shout out, “That’s it!”.

And why? It can’t just be because Nelson is a self described fat guy. Or even because he openly admitted to being really hungry after the fight. Perhaps it’s because he didn’t choose to “stand and bang” with Kimbo.

Seriously? Did anyone that follows the sport of mixed martial arts closely think for one second that Nelson was going to make a slugfest out of it for the fans at home? This isn’t about the fans at home for the guys in that house. It’s about what’s best for them and their families. It’s abut getting that win and being able to go on to that next fight. That’s the bottom line.

How many fighters that lost their first round bouts in The Ultimate Fighter do you remember off the top of your head?

Exactly.

The moral of the story is that the whole point of being at the house is to win and earn the six-figure contract with the UFC. There’s no guarantees for the guy in second place, and there are certainly no guarantees for a guy like Roy Nelson, who’s already had as rough a time as anyone getting himself into the Octagon.

On the other side of that coin, if it wasn’t already staring you right in the face, the fact that there is an obvious double standard when it comes to Kimbo is impossible to ignore at this point, being that he was pretty much completely dominated in his first fight on the house, yet recently spilled the beans in regards to a bout in December he was currently preparing for.

And if you think for one second that the UFC President truly believes that Kimbo will have some type of miraculous turn around in his skill level from his time spent on the show, then you are being trolled by Dana White at the highest level.

It’s all about how you spin it baby! Take notes from the master, Making Money In The Sport 101.

Kimbo makes sense for business, and at it’s deepest level, he makes sense for the MMA as a whole considering the attention captured by his mystical beard can do nothing but expose this great sport to more and more people.

In less than a years time Kimbo will be on is way out. A rich man, but on his way out never the less. History will look back on Kimbo as modern MMA’s answer to Tank Abbott. Great for ratings, but a terrible representation of the sport as a whole.

Of course it makes sense to put Kimbo in there with a guy like Roy Nelson. Slice loses to the former IFL heavyweight champion and you can always pull the “He was outmatched, but he has a lot of room to grow” card. Quite frankly, that fight ends the exact same way with 90% of the other guys in that house.

Kimbo made it quite clear that he hasn’t taken anything seriously in regards to his training in the sport up until this point. Now all of a sudden he just has this new fire under his butt to become a walking, breathing sponge to everything MMA? It’s not happening.

The fact that Slice hasn’t bothered to even attempt to evolve in the sport that has earned him an enormous amount of money tells me all I need to know about Kimbo’s character. He’ll never have the dedication and determination it will take for him to beat anyone better than James “Colossus” Thompson.

Instead of worrying about how to improve his skills and escape armbars in the future, Kimbo’s too busy pulling out his strap in the gym and waving it around like a cowboy at the OK Saloon.

Outside of his non-existent ground game, Kimbo is quite obviously in the wrong weight class. While not fat by any stretch of the imagination, I still feel like a cut down to 205 pounds would be possible for Slice, who currently walks around near the 230 pound mark.

If he doesn’t cut the weight he’ll stand very little chance against the new breed of big men currently invading the UFC heavyweight ranks.

Just think of the possibilities awaiting Kimbo at light-heavyweight.

Kimbo Slice vs. Houston Alexander in December anyone?

28 COMMENTS
  • Austin says:

    Cory, You asked for this: ANDY WANG…. LOL
    Anyway, I couldn’t agree more with you. All of these nelson haters are getting butthurt over what was clearly domination of kimbo by someone better on the ground. Kimbo was drilling to defend JUST THE SHOT. Did you see him drilling to defend the setups for the shot? no. Roy never even really shot, he just bodylocked and tripped really. Kimbo didn’t drill any greco defense. Kimbo needs to go to ATT and live there for a few years, training some greco roman wrestling, and jiu jitsu.

    How many guys have you see do quite well, but have to go home because they are hurt. I can think of maybe 1 every other season. Nate Quarry and Matt Hamil come to mind off the top of my head. Roy Nelson couldn’t afford to fail in this situation. This setup is akin to Japanese Tournaments like K-1 and Dream. I can think of Melvin Manhoef not getting to continue in something because he cut his shin. I believe it was k-1 Fina 16 qualifying and he couldn’t continue. Luckily he got voted back in.

    Even if Roy didn’t stand up with kimbo, the second it got to the ground, Roy mounted or got side control. Granted I wanted to see him work a straight armbar or kimura, and Roy COULD have done more to work for a submission. But honestly, what he did got him a finish.

    If your goal is getting to the finals, go ahead and play it cool in your first fight, maybe put some more into the semi-final fight, but save your strength and try to go injury free so you can win your quarter final fight and get on the finale.

    The finale is what matters. Period. The End.

  • gy614x says:

    Kimbo was nullified and embarrassed on the ground, period. he failed to even attempt to escape the mount (which is what my instructor was teaching first day guys at the gym the other day).

    i was rooting for Big country from the beginning, though i would wish the fight would have ended more dynamically (submission or something) you cant blame Nelson for how he approached that.

    may not have been the most exciting fight but he got the job done. well planned Nelson…..

  • Hohlraum says:

    Dana White is a total hypocrite and Roy has reason to have wanted to “take no damage and do as little as possible to win.” That is the whole f’ing point. This is a sport Dana. The reason it is consider entertainment is because people enjoy the sport and gain entertainment because they enjoy said sport.

    Roy lost his two last professional fights. Do you really think he wants to take even the slightest chance losing to someone that everyone (including Dana White) has been calling a chump from the start (which is also bullshit). He took a position where Kimbo was completely unable to defend himself and hit him with what he could from that position.

    He won and that is the point.

  • LouisvilleMMA says:

    I would just add that Roy calling his shot could be misleading. Don’t assume anything that you see on any reallity show is shown in chronological order. But it does make sense that his corner would count outloud AFTER having that conversation.

  • edub says:

    Drama garbage. I feel bad getting sucked into the drama aspect, when that fight ends the same way 99 out of 100 times. I guess in hindsight it made since for them to be shady in releasing aspects of the fight. 2 things coming away from this fight.

    1. Kimbo shuts down when the fight doesnt go his way. He was doing a good job of defending the td and was scramblin pretty effectively too. once he was put in the crucifix position he bucked up once maybe twice and then just seemed to accept the inevitable. He shut down when the fight didnt go his way.

    2. Something should be done about the non intelligent defense discussion. Yes Kimbo wasnt defending himself, yes Roy was controlling kimbos whole body, but thot shots that Roy was landing were doing next to no damage. Even though it was an asshole thing to say after one of your fighters got a stoppage win Dana described it to his daughter hitting him in the face. I would say it was a lot closer to that than say getting pounded on by Brock. Let me be clear I have no problem with Roy. I think he has been underrated for a long time and hopefully this will get his name out there. I just have a problem with the rule.

  • Josh_Kahn says:

    I agree with you, Cory. No matter the fight result, Kimbo was going to be promoted.

  • Waxeater says:

    How is Kimbo a terrible representation of the sport? Because he comes from a streetfighting background?

    Tank Abbott never bothered to learn the ground game and made it a point to badmouth it on multiple occasions. Kimbo sincerely wants to learn every aspect of the sport and has — according to multiple coaches as well as the television cameras — busted his balls to do so. He’s worked harder at this than anyone involved on this website.

    Kimbo has shown himself to be a humble, personable man with a great attitude towards the fight game, which is what I think makes him an excellent representation of the sport: a modern-day Cinderella story. And his story is really no different from the division one wrestler who learned a little muay Thai, or the Judo medalist who learned a little boxing, only his background may seem less desirable to people who have never been in his situation before.

    As for the idiot asking why Kimbo couldn’t accomplish what day-one white belts were learning in his gym the other day: how many MMA bouts have you been in? The mount escape you and your buddies likely learned in class the other day may work well on other white belts or during drills, but this is MMA, and you’re getting punched in the face in the process by a professional fighter.

    I think it’s time to cut Kimbo some slack; he’s really no different from anyone else trying to make it in the fight game.

  • BigDave says:

    Hey Cory we agree totally here .Kimbo has obviously got no respect for the sport he just wants the paychecks. He looked as bad in this fight as he did in the fight with thompson(which should have been stopped in the first when Thompson was landing the same type of unanswered shots we saw last night) he has shown zero improvement at all. And whats up with Dana White first he bashes kimbo for months now he is on his nuts.

    Bottom line is Kimbo is not now nor will he ever be a MMA fighter. He is a gun totting wanna be thug with stupid looking gold teeth that wears a condom on his head.

    I’ve tried hard to think of just one good thing to say about Kimbo and the best I could come up with is, he will be gone from the sport in a couple months and we will never have to talk about him again. Man I can’t wait for that day.

  • fanoftna33 says:

    Big Dave- if Kimbo just wanted a good paycheck he would have been much better off fighting in Japan where they would probably triple whatever the ufc is going to pay him. Average heavyweight fighters dont make 6 figures starting out and even Brock started out at around 150,000 which is nowhere near what Kimbo made in Elite xc.

  • nope says:

    If you take away Kimbo’s history…he looks just as bad, or as good as, the rest of the rookies in the house. I think he would’ve hung w/ any of the first 4 fighters. Nelson is a Pro, of course he looks much better. Also, Big Country would’ve run through any of the first 4 guys just as easy as he handled Kimbo.

  • BigDave says:

    @nope Lets face it Kimbo would have lost to anyone in the house with the ability to take him down. Yes Nelson is a pro fighter but he didn’t have to even try to win this fight, Kimbo offered no resistance when he got taken down, nelson passed to full mount and side mount and the crucifix and kimbo didn’t even make it the least bit hard. It was as if nelson was doing a training session to show people how to improve position it was that easy for him.

  • halbibabe says:

    The arrogance of Dana White makes me sick. I felt Roy did just what he needed to do.
    Roy was happy that he won the fight and to have Dana make that comment was wrong.

  • David Andrest says:

    Somebody remind me of the last time a fighter was put into the cruifix in two seperate rounds in the same fight………….don’t worry I’ll wait.

    Nelson did exactly what he said he was going to do……..and to do it was more impressive to me than predicting a knock out……. This is Better than calling a homerun IMO…….this is closer to saying . ” I’m going to hit a ground rule double off the foul pole in Left field.”

  • Guy Gaduois says:

    The last two weeks have demonstrated the primary weakness of the heavyweight division – the weight differential. No other weight classes features a possible 59 pound differential at weigh in. Last night’s bout is the worst case scenario. I agreed with Quinton (end of the world must be coming) when he said it was like trying to fight “with the moon on top of you.”

    Comparing the lay and pray, flop and slop, playing patty-cake with the top of K. Ferguson’s head that Nelson did – comparing that to Lyoto Machida’s fight style is easily the most inappropriate comparison I’ve ever read. The fight style last night is everything that has been wrong with the heavyweight division in the past.

    How can we even compare the incredible athleticism of fighters like Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez, “Easter Island” Todd Duffey, and a legend like Nogueira with what was displayed last night? It’s not even remotely close to the same template. Styles make fights, and if I want someone to fight a section of road or dominate a sofa, Roy Nelson has just that style.

    Look, we’ve seen heavyweights who move and engage like lightweights – as a promoter, which product would you rather sell? That fight was a throw back to Tim Sylvia style – but at least Tim Sylvia leaned on guys while standing up.

    Don’t compare Nelson to Machida, that’s just crazy. Dana’s right, Nelson did what it took to win, but didn’t show us any of what we’ve come to expect from the greatest athletes in the world.

  • xtreme_machine says:

    he is mad because he wanted Kimbo to win

    becuase he could off made more money off of him

  • edub says:

    David:
    “Nelson did exactly what he said he was going to do……..and to do it was more impressive to me than predicting a knock out……. This is Better than calling a homerun IMO…….this is closer to saying . ” I’m going to hit a ground rule double off the foul pole in Left field.””
    Nothing is better than calling a homer Dave. The Babe did that and no one else. This is more like Phil Baroni saying hed KO Shannon Ritch if they fought.

  • metalmulisha says:

    David Andrest says: “Somebody remind me of the last time a fighter was put into the cruifix in two seperate rounds in the same fight………….don’t worry I’ll wait.

    Go back and watch the Kimbo/James Thompson fight and you’ll see it.
    Thompson had him in that position in the 1st rd. but Kimbo got out of it, more a result of an error by Thompson than any great escape by Kimbo and then he got him in it again in the second rd. and kept him like that until he was saved by the bell.

    I’m sure Nelson saw that fight and new he could do the same thing. Good game plan but not a shocking prediction by Nelson he just put Kimbo in the same spot that gave him problems in the past.

    The big surprise was IMO Dana White coming out and basically saying I can’t stand Roy Nelson’s attitude and he didn’t do anything special and the guy didn’t want to get hit and hits like a little girl.

    Well I guess we know 3 things now #1 that Dana wants the guys on TUF to not only go out and try to win but take damage in the process so you’re hurt advancing in the competition . #2 someone please beat Roy Nelson so I don’t have to see his fat fucking face again, and #3 Dana’s kid puts him in the crucifix position and hits like Roy Nelson.

    I mean can anyone think of another fight where Dana bashed the guy who not only won, but pretty much dominated his opponent? It was not only unexpected, but totally uncalled for. It was as if he was saying yeah TUF fans Kimbo lost, but the guy who beat him did everything he could to avoid getting hit because Kimbo is the toughest guy at the barbecue.

  • Angry Mike says:

    I stopped reading as soon as you compared Roy to Machida. Machida ko’d Rashad and Thiago Silva in highlight reel fashion. You can’t possibly compare Machida or what Machida did to win the belt with what happened last night. Many of Nelson’s punches wouldn’t have torn wet tissue paper. He got the win, so good for him. Let’s keep some perspective, though. It wasn’t anything to write home about.

    P.S. What’s with the three guys showing their abs? It’s nauseatingly close to gay porn. Bring back the chick in the leather corset with the –how do I say this–impressive pectorals.

  • Makington says:

    As it was, I missed all the Nelson haters last night but I really didn’t expect it to go any other way. Hell, I wouldn’t stand with Kimbo when it’s so easy to take him down and get an easy win.

    Dana came off like an idiot when he bashed Nelson, who did infinitely more than Mike Madsen (I think that’s his name) from episode one who barely threw one punch against Abe Wagner. However, Dana only had good things to say about the first fight, and bad things about this one. I realize why he does it atleast. He belittles Roy’s win to make it seem like more of a fluke and more of a cowardly win so that people still want to see Kimbo fight. If he went out there and said how terrible Kimbo’s performance was and that he was a failure, nobody would want to see Kimbo again, who has HUGE potential as a money-maker for the UFC.

    Overall, good win for Roy, and I hope he goes far.

  • Guy Gaduois says:

    I agree with EVERYTHING Angry Mike said.

    I swear, he runs for office and I’ll start voting again.

    I hadn’t noticed the 3 Hoyaymigos ad until I read that post. It is disturbing. They’re leaning in like they’re doing a swordfight. Why aren’t the three queerskateers wearing polo shirts with collars up? I thought that was the required uniform of the twentysomething toolbag.

  • Angry Mike says:

    @guy:

    I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I’d probably run from office rather than run for office. One of the few things I’ve learned in life is that smart asses aren’t always appreciated as much as I think they should be.

  • halbibabe says:

    I agree with Makington on this issue, Dana was wrong how he disrepected Roy. Granted Roy has no chance against Brock but he did a good job against over -hyped Kimbo.

  • jj says:

    Perfect article.

    Dana White can say this or that, but he wasn’t the one getting in the cage with Kimbo. It’s not like he dragged out the fight to a decision, he won by TKO, what’s wrong with that?

    Also I think Rampage’s team did very little to help Kimbo with his takedown defense.

    Oh and now I hate Rampage, he’s an ass.

  • Vogairian says:

    I’m with Guy Gaduois and Angry Mike here.

    1. Comparing what Roy Nelson did to what Machida does is like comparing a toddler drawing within the lines of a coloring book and a painting by Picasso. Sure they’re both art, but no one is paying to see the kid’s coloring sheet.

    2. Let’s not forget Roy basically acted like an idiot after he won the match. He’s pretty much the most experienced guy there and in very unimpressive fasion beat one of the weaker fighters there, does that really warrent running up to Dana and acting a fool? I don’t think so.

    3. I quote, “This isn’t about the fans at home for the guys in that house. It’s about what’s best for them and their families. It’s abut getting that win and being able to go on to that next fight. That’s the bottom line.”

    I disagree with this to an extent. If the fans don’t care/don’t want to see you fight then you’ll end up out of the octagon in no time.

  • TerribleT says:

    Dana was embarrassed about Roy celebrating as if he’d really put on a great show.If Roy hadn’t have acted like what he so FANTASTIC I doubt Dana would’ve said anything.Roy even went on to say that he was glad to have had such an impressive performance in front of Dana and quote unquote,”Now everybody sees that I’m definitely the favorite to win this thing.” Keep dreamin’ Roy! Even if you are the guy that going to win it nobody but you sees it yet………….

  • TerribleT says:

    OOPS!!! see previous post: sentence should read like this: If Roy hadn’t have acted like what he DID WAS so fantastic……………….

  • edub says:

    Terrible T what fight were you watching. The guy got hit about 3 times. He had about as dominant of a win as you could have considering he didnt wanna do anything to damage himself later in the show.

  • Niv says:

    Dana White was upset that the potential cash cow lost a fight, and of course if Dana White says something there’s a group of people that will always parrot him.

    Big Country did exactly what he said he was going to do, he put Kimbo in a crucafix and hit him until the fight was stopped, nothing but a good win for Nelson.

    Dana White needs to learn to shut up and show more respect to all fighters wether he sees them as cash cows or not.

    Kimbo’s still going to be in the UFC, he’ll still get hyped and with some luck (for Dana White) he’ll win a couple of gimme’s and they’ll set up a title shot.

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