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The New and Official 5 Oz. Ratings: Pound for Pound

anderson-silvaSince earning the position of managing editor at FiveOuncesOfPain.com I have had the unfortunate opportunity to watch our long respected and referred to ranking system grow as stale and decrepit as the cheeseball gladiator sequence and theme song that has opened up every UFC since what seems like the dawn of man (A lot of fans swear by it, personally, it’s comparable sound of fingernails running across a chalkboard).

I, as editor in chief, take full responsibility for our long outdated ranking system, and hereby declare that I am here to take the power back!

I’m going to kick things off right here with the always controversial pound for pound rankings. From there, we will be updating the rankings one weight class at a time; starting at heavyweight and working our way down. And don’t you worry female fight fans, we’re going to be running a ranking system on the ladies of the sport as well.

While I assure you that arguing against the logic of my finely tuned rating system would be futile, because I’m right, I welcome any conversation or scepticism you may harbor towards my rationalization of the current fighter standings.

Also, please feel free to post your own set of rankings regarding this, or any of the weight classes to follow.

When considering pound for pound rankings some of the key factors I took into consideration were being well rounded, the quality of opposition faced, and experience, among other variables.

Pound for pound rankings are going to be twenty fighters deep, with all other weight classes featuring the top ten. The official FiveOuncesOfPain.com rankings will be updated monthly, or shortly after any weekend of events have had a significant impact on several weight classes.

1. Fedor Emelianenko: I have not wavered on my stance of Fedor being the best pound for pound fighter on planet earth in close to five years, and I’m just not going to until “The Last Emperor” suffers a legit defeat. I don’t care if he gets beat up from beginning to end and pulls out a miracle punch to win (a la Andrei Arlovski) in his next ten fights; until Emelianenko loses, get used to him resting firmly on top of this list.

Has Anderson Silva faced tougher competition than Fedor in recent years? Sure, that argument could definitely be made, but for me, Fedor’s ability to avoid a legitimate defeat while competing against many of the most dangerous big men the sport has had to offer for close to a decade running leaves no question in my mind who the baddest man on the planet truly is.

You would be hard pressed to find a major hole in the arsenal of Emelianenko. He has explosive knockout power in his fists, underrated kickboxing (with the exception of head kicks), dynamic Sambo influenced takedowns, an elite level submission game, and perhaps most importantly, a warriors spirit that just can not be taught.

Fedor Emelianenko is the epitome of Bushido.

2. Anderson Silva: The middleweight champion of the UFC currently has put together ten consecutive victories in the Octagon and counting. Recent wins over the likes of men such as Rich Franklin, Nate Marquardt, and Dan Henderson, including a first round knockout of former UFC light-heavyweight champion Forrest Griffin, make it impossible to justify placing Anderson any lower than number two on this list.

Of course, an argument could be made for either Fedor or Anderson in the number one spot but one thing is for certain; unless either of these athletes lose a bout in the near future there’s no way either will be falling from the top two spots anytime soon. Their level of experience will continue to trump the guy I have in the number three spot’s level of execution until they lose or retire.

3. Lyoto Machida: Machida’s undefeated record combined with the level of competition he has faced during the course of his career place him at our third spot. The black belt in both Shotokan Karate and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has established a reputation as the least hit fighter in the history of the UFC, and he has done it while facing dangerous adversaries such as Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou, Thiago Silva and Rashad Evans. Outside of his time spent in the Octagon, Lyoto has notched wins over the likes of UFC champions Rich Franklin and B.J. Penn, along with promotion veteran Stephan Bonnar.

4. B.J. Penn: I can already hear it coming, “How can you have Penn above GSP when St-Pierre completely battered B.J. in their last bout. While there’s no denying that GSP is the better fighter at 170 pounds, this ranking system is set up in such a way that you have to imagine that the two fighters would meet up at an identical natural weight.

There’s not a doubt in my mind that if Georges was able to somehow shrink down to 155 pounds where Penn is the most effective, he would have a tremendous amount of difficulty pinning the lightweight champion to the canvas as he has in the past. On the feet, it’s not even close. A 155 pound B.J. would walk right through a smaller structured St-Pierre standing.

GSP is a phenomenal athlete, but Penn is the superior fighter. Better striking, better submissions, and better chin.

B.J. currently seems close to unstoppable at lightweight. He’s only suffered one loss at the weight class, which was a majority decision to Jens Pulver back in January of 2002. We all know how that fight ends today.

5. Georges St-Pierre: St-Pierre gets my vote for being the most athletic fighter in the sport today. The combination of that athletic talent and a deep rooted will to win have served GSP well throughout the course of his decorated mixed martial arts career. As it stands right now, Georges is just a fight or two away from being able to lay claim to having completely cleaned out his division with recent victories over guys like Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck, Jon Fitch and Thiago Alves.

I’d personally be interested in seeing him in bouts against dynamic strikers with a strong wrestling base such as Mike Swick or Anthony Johnson. However, with that being said, it’s hard for me to visualize those fights ending any different that the bouts with GSP’s previously mentioned victims.

The only thing that keeps St-Pierre from ending up a notch or two higher on this list is his tendency to turn into a well muscled wet blanket in his fights with anyone that poses a remote threat on the feet.

6. Mauricio “Shogun” Rua: It may surprise some that Shogun wound up as high as he did on this ranking system but I will point to the fact that I firmly believe Shogun to be the most well rounded fighter in the sport as my argument for this choice.

When Rua is on, he’s on. He has a chin of granite, can bang with the best of them, possesses some of the most effective Muay-Thai for MMA in the sport, has an extensive and lethal submission arsenal, underrated wrestling ability and takedowns, and a killer instinct reminiscent of a starved piranha with the scent of blood.

I’m not going to sit here and try to make up any excuses for Shogun’s submission defeat to Forrest Griffin. It was what it was, but outside of that Rua hasn’t suffered a legit defeat since 2003. During the course of his career fighting under the PRIDE banner, Mauricio put together wins over top level fighters such as Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Quinton “Rampage” Jackson, Alistair Overeem, and Ricardo Arona. Since the defeat to Griffin, Rua has put together back to back victories over Mark Coleman and Chuck Liddell. The Coleman win actually looks more impressive considering The Hammer’s recent win over Stephan Bonnar.

Shogun and Lyoto Machida’s spots on this list definitely have the potential to take a hit depending on the outcome of their scheduled UFC 104 championship match-up.

7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: Easily one of the most devastating submission artists in the sport, Big Nog makes this list based on his ability to grow along with the sport over the years. Something he displayed beautifully in his most recent victory over Randy Couture. A three round war where Nogueira utilized his superior ground game and much improved striking to pick up the hard fought win over one of the most respected veterans in the history of the game.

Scalps currently hanging for Nogueira’s belt include elite competitors such as Heath Herring, Dan Henderson, Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic, Josh Barnett and Fabricio Werdum to name just a few.

8. Nate Marquardt: I was already taking flack for this pick before it had even been published. I sent fellow 5 Oz’er David Andrest an advance copy of the highly anticipated official P4P rankings, and this man I have long considered my friend actually had the nerve to call me on the telephone and laugh at me in regards to my thought process concerning this pick. I’m not going to lie, my blood was boiling. I was considering giving Nate a call in an attempt to persuade him to pay David a visit to teach him a lesson in humility, but ultimately opted against it.

This pick for me, comes down to a variety of things. Marquardt has always faced a high level of competition, and it’s the vast improvements he has made while facing that competition that plants him securely in the pound for pound rankings.

Try to find a considerable hole in Marquardt’s arsenal. He’s freakishly powerful and massive for the weight class, has dynamite in both fists, utilizes savage ground and pound (see UFC 85 bout with Thales Leites when Marquardt has the Brazilian coughing up blood), is well versed on the ground, and trains with one of the best camps in the sport, Greg Jackson’s.

Marquardt’s one of those guys that never seems to get the amount of respect he deserves. Maybe it’s due to his humble, somewhat reserved nature, but more likely it’s due to the fact that the UFC hype machine hasn’t given this talent the type of push he deserves. Of course, if you don’t get the type of exposure you should demand, there’s one way to take it, and that’s winning fights. Something Marquardt has had a knack for against may of the toughest men in the business over the space of more than ten years running.

9. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: The twin brother of former UFC heavyweight champion Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Lil Nog is a a mirror image of his sibling in more ways than one. Both men have lethal ground attacks, polished striking arsenals, chins of concrete and a fighting spirit that runs deep through both of their veins.

The only reason Antonio Rogerio Nogueira falls underneath his brother on this list is because of the lesser amount of competition he has faced up until this point in his career. However, wins over the likes of guys like Alistair Overeem, Dan Henderson, and Vadimir Matyushenko make “Minotouro” an easy pick for the top ten.

It should be fascinating to see how he does against a fighter as hazardous as Luis Cane in his Octagon debut set for UFC 106 in November.

10. Dan Henderson: There’s no denying that Henderson is one of the most dangerous fighters in the sport. The level of competition he has faced during the course of his career, combined with an Olympic caliber wrestling background, iron jaw and two of the heaviest fists in the business, would make Hendo a very rough night for anyone that met him at an identical natural weight.

Feel free to voice your opinion on my picks and I’m going to do my best to respond and clarify the reasoning behind all of the selections. The heavyweights are coming up next.

11. Nick Diaz

12. Gegard Mousasi

13. Jon Fitch

14. Jake Shields

15. Miguel Torres

16. Mike Brown

17. Brian Bowles

18. Frank Mir

19. Mike Swick

20. Joachim Hansen

49 COMMENTS
  • edub says:

    Wow GSP at five. You get a little stoned before you made these rankings Cory lol? I like how you thought outside the box though. Still I gotta disagree with pretty much the whole list.

    1. Anderson
    2. GSP
    3. Fedor
    4. Lyoto
    5. BJ
    6. Bowles
    7. Evans
    8. Brown
    9. Rampage
    10.Fitch
    11. Edgar
    12. Urijah
    13. Torres
    14. Hendo
    15. Mousasi
    16. Nick Diaz
    17.Shields
    18. Koscheck
    19. Aoki
    20. Swick

  • edub says:

    Oh and IMO i believe Shogun should be no where near this list right now.

  • fanoftna33 says:

    At first I thought no wat Penn above GSP, but looking at the records Penn has fought all over the place and benn finished by GSP and Hughes. But he has beaten some very top guys like two Gracies, Hughes, Serra,Ludwig,Gomi, Sherk and Florian. So After reading your article and thinking about it you may be right , even though he lost to GSP twice P4P he is the better fighter.

  • edub says:

    Gotta disagree fan…”But he has beaten some very top guys like two Gracies, Hughes, Serra,Ludwig,Gomi, Sherk and Florian.”

    I think a resume of Fitch, Koscheck, Alves, Pariysian, Hieron, Hughes*2, Serra, Sherk, Trigg, and Penn*2 stomps the previously mentioned.

  • shotokai_ says:

    No, no, no.

    Your love for BJ Penn and Machida has got the better of your judgment here Cory. GSP should be at number 3, period. I could list a few solid reasons as to why but I’ll make it quick as I’m in a hurry (and to me it seems obvious anyway?!). GSP has cleared out what was quite recently the UFCs most stacked division, and he’s done it by utterly dominating opponents, not just opponents, but elite fighters. The only exception was the Serra fight and he avenged that impressively, and would do so again should Serra still be relevant.

    Although, I am of the opinion, like you, that Machida has the skills to clear out his respective division; and I believe he will do so in due course. However until he does this you simply cannot have him above GSP in the P4P rankings, and it’s really as simple as that. In a years time after he beats Shogun, and the next guy and the next guy, then, yes, his ability combined with a still undefeated record would probably put him above Georges (if nothing else for the fact that GSP has been defeated twice), but that time is not now. And I don’t really see how you can argue against this, you have placed him third because of what you expect him to do (and agreed a lot of people expect the same) but significantly not because of what he actually has done.

    As for having BJ above GSP; that is ridiculous, really. GSP is the complete package, technically, physically and, now, it seems, mentally. BJ isn’t there yet and he is proved it on numerous occasions (see losses to Hughes, GSP x2). GSP dominated him, utterly and completely, when they fought. I do concede it was at GSP’s weight class, however in my opinion the fashion of the domination warrants some, if small, credence when it comes to P4P rankings.

    Having BJ fourth and GSP fifth implies you think BJ’s record in the UFC since his return (4-3, with wins over Pulver, Sherk, Florian and Stevenson) is more impressive than GSP’s record over a similar time period (11-1, with wins over Miller, Sherk, Trigg, Penn x2, Hughes x2, Serra, Koscheck, Fitch and Alves)?! Surely you can’t seriously back this almost ludicrous argument?

    I suspect not because your judgment is usually considerably better than that. BJ Penn is, as the name suggests, a prodigy, there’s no doubt it, and I suspect it this seemingly infinite potential that has led you to place him above GSP. But having this potential and solid results is simply not comparable to producing the higher and consistent level of excellence you get with GSP. So in the P4P rankings, for my money, it’s a no-brainer.

  • heath13 says:

    i agree with cory’s rankings ..

  • fanoftna33 says:

    Bj has beaten 2 of thoes guys at WW, He beat Hughes long before GSP broke out and became the beast he now is and Hughes was still tearing people up. He also beat Serra at LW. Unlike GSP he has broken away from his comfort zone and challenged himself 2 weight classes up. And done well. Does anybody really think GSP would make it out of the third round with a guy like Machida,, or a high lever MW fighter. Nobody at his weight class has ever stopped him, unlike GSP who was stopped by Hughes and a mainly LW fighter in Serra.

  • toodiesel says:

    excellent rankings, except I’d have Hendo higher. Fedor also gains P4P consideration because he’s almost as light as they come regarding weight in his weight class, and he’s a little chubby to boot. Makes you wonder if the world’s best Heavyweight is also the world’s best light heavyweight, as it’s a fathomable weight for him.

    Cool to see a level-headed analysis of Penn: people who complain about this, please realize that BJ was moving up in weight against GSP! I believe BJ is another example of a fighter who is completely dominant in his weight class, but could move down in weight if he wanted (145 lbs).

    Nice to see my favorite fighter, Shogun, on this list, and that he’s appreciated by 5oz for being a well-rounded fighter.

  • edub says:

    “Does anybody really think GSP would make it out of the third round with a guy like Machida,, or a high lever MW fighter”

    GSP dominated both Frank Trigg and Jason Miller who have been in the top 10 at 185 several times in the last couple of years. On top of that I think GSP could beat, Lawler, Okami, and if he could put on enough muscle would be the worst matchup for Anderson in the division.

    Penn has gone up in weight with mixed success. He beat Hughes, but then didnt fight anybody relevant above 155 til GSP at UFC 58. Both Gracies were no where near top 10 when he fought them and Machida was in one of his first fights.

    GSP is in the most stacked division in MMA besides maybe 205. There really has been no reason for him to move up until now.

  • Niv says:

    I think Shogun totally deserves to be on this list and I think he’ll be replacing Machida in the order after their fight.

    Shogun was the #1 LHW in the world for a reason and I think if he didn’t use the typical Brazilian mentality of showing up for fights when you are badly injured the Forrest win never happens. I think many Brazilian fighters have a bad habit of going into fights like Big Nog (staph infection, against Mir), Wanderlei Siva vs Hendo 2 (Wandy was hopsitalized the night before with strep) and Shogun unable to train cardio for more than one month because of a banged up knee.

    They do themselves a disservice by being as prideful as they are and potentially damage their careers as well.

    Anyhow back to the ratings, I totally agree about Fedor and the fact that he does what he does in the HW division makes it that much more impressive. The HW division is the most dangerous as seemingly weak fighters still have the one punch ko potential and anyone can take anyone out with one shot.

    I’d like to see Mousassi a little higher but at this point it’s fair and I am not that against the Marquardt selection either I think he is grossly underrated and is a genuine threat to Anderson Silva. It’s hard to say where he’d fit in but I would personally have Vitor Belfort on that list before Mike Swick.

  • CrazyStang says:

    Now I have been a regular visitor on this site now for over six months and never once have I posted anything but I think this is the time to change that…

    I would have to agree with Edub on this one. I find GSP should be at least #3 in this list. He has shown that he can clean out a division and clean it out with style.

    There is no one in the WW division right now that could come close to him. Everyone said that T. Alves had the best chance of upsetting GSP, which he proved us wrong on so many levels.

    And I am a big fan Of Machida but I would still have to say that GSP would be ahead of him in the rankings.
    #1 Fedor
    #2 Spider
    #3 GSP
    #4 Machida
    #5 Penn (not a fan of Penn, but that guy can sure would up his own end)

  • RoadsideGraphix says:

    I agree with Cory’s top five but after that you kinda fell off the deep end.
    Mousasi at number 15 is just not right. Rashad Evans in the top 20 at all is not right.

  • fetussandwich says:

    How the fuck is Shogun even on this list?

  • edub says:

    Roadside Mousasi is at 15 on mine list man. He’s at #12 ON Cory’s.

    I still have him that low because the only top ten opponent he has beaten is Sobral and he was on the fringe. I do however believe he will be making a leap in these rankings in the years to come.

  • xtreme_machine says:

    man i don’t like this list one bit

    I am going with EDUB on this one, great list edub

  • edub says:

    Thanx Machine.

  • Swing Em says:

    1. Anderson Silva – if Muhammad Ali & Bruce Lee had a love child, it would be Anderson Silva. This dude is just filthy everywhere the fight goes. He has THE best muay thai in MMA & is a legit black belt in BJJ. You add lightning quick reflexes, a rock hard chin & great athletisism you get the best fighter on Earth.

    2. Fedor Emelianenko – I’m not even going to get into his skills, they speak for themselves. So on that note, Fedor was the best up until he started to allow his management team shop him around like a circus attraction. I’m sorry but if he wants to be considered the best then he has to fight the best and the best heavyweights are in the UFC. Fedor has never been defeated, though his record does have one blemish and i’m still in favor of that loss being overturned due to the bogus nature surrounding it. However he needs to grow a set, tell his handlers to back off & go take a run at the UFC Championship. And if he’s successful then he can have his spot on top back.

    3. Lyoto Machida – Like Anderson Silva this guy reminds me the cheesy 80’s martial arts hero from the B-movies we all watched and i mean that as a compliment. “The Dragon” has a quite, subtle confidence about him that is nothing short of intimidating. Factor in that he’s never lost a round, let alone been beaten or finished and you have yourself a 205 pound MMA machine. His mastery of both his native cultures martial arts, Karate & BJJ also shows you the kind of person you’re dealing with, he doesn’t step into the cage for a check, he does it to represent his culture & to be the best. I think everyone needs to get used to Lyoto wearing the title belt because i don’t see any threat to it, save for Anderson, however they’ve both said it will never happen, but we can hope can’t we?

    4. Georges St. Pierre – The French Canadian Phenom has avenged his only two losses in convincing fashion, defended his title numerous times against top 5 challengers, sold out every venue he’s fought in & made it look easy. GSP is hands down the best 170 pound fighter on the planet bar none. The TKO loss to Matt Serra showed what some might call a “suspect chin”, i disagree. Matt caught him in the temple & did what any good fighter should do when you have your opponet buckled, went for the finish. “Rush” was knocked silly yes, but not knocked out. Since that loss he’s done nothing but put together great performance after great performance. I think Georges will be sitting atop the Welterweight mountain for at least the next 3-5 years.

    5. BJ Penn – at 155 pounds BJ wins 99 times out of 100 against ANY fighter in the weight class. All of his losses have been to current or former WORLD CHAMPIONS and only one of the losses was at his natural weight of 155, which he later avenged in dominating fashion. I don’t see too many men giving the iron jawed Hawaiian too much trouble for the next few years as long as he keeps himself in shape, which could be asking a lot if his work ethic problems rear their head again.

    6. Brock Lesnar – now before you bite my head off, hear me out. First off he’s the UFC Heavyweight Champion & he’s only been doing this professionally for a little over 2 years!!!! That within itself is mind boggling to me. Ok so he’s only had 5 fights, 4 were against top 10 competition & 2 were for a world championship. Brock “the Garthock” Lesnar (“Coneheads” fans should appreciate the nickname i’ve given the scariest man in MMA) is a SUPER HUMAN athlete. People his size should not be able to move the way he does. You take that into consideration along with his work ethic towards mastering his new craft and you have yourself one gigantic MMA wrecking machine. I’ll go out on a limb here & say Bud Light’s least favorite UFC fighter would TKO Fedor if the two ever met in the ring, too bad it’ll never happen…

    7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira – best BJJ heavyweight of all time now doubt about it. Everyone lost faith in “Big Nog” after Mir stopped him, taking nothing away from Mir he whooped that ass, ARN is the better fighter out of the two, it just wasn’t his night last December. His absolute beat down of Randy showed everybody that he’s still realavent in the title picture. Though i think a bout against Lesnar would turn out terribly for “Minotauro” unless he could catch a submission very quickly, a la Mir v Lesnar 1.

    8. Urijah Faber – let me guess everyone forgot about the pride of Sacramento, CA??? A healthy, motivated Urijah is a rough night for any 145’er. But after the KO & Decision losses to Mike Brown everyone seems to forget about the dominance of WEC posterboy. Before being knocked out by Brown he was on a 13 fight win streak, with his only loss coming to Tyson Griffin. Oh by the way 11 of those 13 wins were by stoppage. The guy was a beast on a tear, he tried to get cute with that elbow & Mike Brown dropped him, it happens. He came back made short work of Jens & the re-match was all set. However Brown v Faber II didn’t get the explosive finish everyone was expecting, instead Urijah broke his right hand & dislocated his left hand en route to losing a decision. Can a brother get a hand? No, seriously the guy fought 5 hard rounds against someone who knocked him out with both hands out of comission!!! That right there proves why Urijah is a top 10 P4P fighter. The mental fortitude that took is impressive. If somehow there can be a Brown v Faber 3 i will take Urijah by stoppage any day of the week.

    9. Nate Marquardt – he destroyed an undefeated fighter in 21 seconds with 1 punch, knocked out Wilson Gouveia with a “Street Fighter” combo, made Martin Kampmann look worse than Paul Daley did & choked out Jeremy Horn STANDING UP!!! And thats just 4 of his last 5 fights. His only hiccup…Trying to wrest the title from “the Spider” I do however still like his chances against Silva more than i do Belfort’s or Hendo’s. With that being said, a match up with Dan Henderson or possibly Rich Franklin (another 195lbs fight???)
    could be a nice warm up bout for “The Great” while he waits for Anderson to add Vitor’s head to his mantle.

    10. Dan Henderson – his fight record reads like a “who’s who” list of MMA over the last 13 years. The guy has true “international experience” he’s competed all over the world against the best the sports had to offer & made himself a hall of fame fighter. He was a two division champion in PrideFC & has been very competitive in the UFC. I just hope they bring him back.

    I hope you enjoyed my top 10, this was my first post, so be gentle :)

    Thanks.

  • xtreme_machine says:

    after reading this article ore carefully

    i have to say that i agree with the TOP 5 but not the rest

    what happen to Torres, Brown, Mousasi, Jon Fitch, and i know is early but where is the love for Brock

    who can you put Mir in the top 20 and not Include the guy that completely owned his @ss

  • Rich S. says:

    I don’t normally rant about 5 oz’s Rankings.. For the most part, I normally agree with them.. But, I’m sorry to say, this one is crazy..

    First off..

    The top 3 best fighters in the world today are Fedor, Anderson, and GSP.. I don’t care how you order those, but there is no reason why they shouldn’t take up the top 3 spots.. Machida is working his way up, but I don’t think he’s fought the best in the world in his division yet.. Unlike Fedor, Silva, and GSP..

    Second..

    BJ Penn before GSP? Absolutely absurd..
    I suppose BJ should be pretty high on the list, seeing as how, when he’s on, no LW in the world can beat him.. But I don’t think he should be no. 4, and he definitely shouldn’t be above GSP..

    Third..

    Shogun at 6? Marquardt at 8? WTF?
    I wouldn’t mind the Shogun thing, if this was 2005.. But, although he’s winning, and is now a title contender, we need to see more dominant performances from him before he can break the top 10 p4p.. If he beats Machida, he can have this spot..
    I’m having trouble figuring out why Nate shouldn’t be on the list, simply because I’m so shocked that he is.. Maybe I’ll be able to collect myself later, and explain, but for now, all I can say is Nate Marquardt isn’t one of the top 10 p4p fighters in the world.

    Also, edub, do you honestly believe that Brian Bowles is the 6th best fighter on the planet? He’s got alot of talent, and I don’t think his win over Miguel was a fluke, but wow..

    Which reminds me.. I find it strange that one single loss to Brian Bowles, and the 2nd loss in a 40 fight career, can somehow totally kick Miguel out of contention for being one of the best fighters around..

  • submit662266 says:

    Wow!! I was excited to see this list and am dumb-founded that any sort of objective “system” was used to arrive at these rankings.

    First, Fedor has fought bums for the last 2-3 years. Yes, Arlovski and T. Sylvia are washed-up bums. A. Silva has fought some mediocore opponents, but his destruction of F. Griffin alone shoots him past way past Fedor.

    GSP is a hard situation. You have to factor in that he lost to Serra, so ranking him 2nd or 3rd seems more realistic. But putting Penn above him?!! Insanity. I think it should also be factored in that Penn was completely owned by St. Pierre. Penn was NEVER a threat in their fight.

    Shogun should be down in the high teens or low 20’s. He lost to Forrest, nearly lost to a very old and out of shape Coleman (b/c he himself was in terrible shape), and beat a knock-out prone Chuck Liddell. Shogun has a glorious past record with a hugely disappointing recent record.

    Dissing Mike Brown, Miguel Torres and Brian Bowles is also inexcusable. I’m beginning to suspect you wrote these just to stir the pot. . .

    1. A. Silva 2. GSP 3. L. Machida 4. Fedor 5. Penn 6. Mike Brown 7. Rashad 8. B. Bowles 9. Hendo 10. M. Torres

  • fraz says:

    There are a lot of minor changes I would make to Cory’s list, but I am glad to finally see a ranking list where the guys who weigh the same as 12 year old boys are relegated to the 15-20 spots instead of in the top 10.

  • submit662266 says:

    My girlfriend also thinks Shogun should be omitted, and no way that Fedor is #1!!

  • edub says:

    Bowles is just 6-0 Rich I ll give you this. But his wins were almost all against top 10 competition, with the last one coming agianst #1. The guy is an outstanding wrestler with good submissions and obvious power. He climbed up to #6 because he KOd the guy who was previously at 6. IMO the guy is an absolute monster and I dont see any 135 including Torres beating him anytime soon.

    Im not gonna lie my 6-10 changes everyonce in a while.

  • mac wilson says:

    My updated list would go

    Anderson Silva at number 1 because he finishes everyone in devistating fashion and looks like a true artist while doing it. He has cleaned out his division in the UFC. He didn’t have incredible opponents but I think from here on out he will have nothing but gigantic fights and I expect him to live up to all his hype.

    GSP at number 2. I believe he has more technical ability than Silva all around and I believe he would win in a fight, but he is so disciplined in his fights that he always just beats the person down to where they are helpless but doesnt get the finish. He can get the finish but lately he has not and I think that killer instinct is something he may want to embrace a bit more in his fights if he wants to be the best in the world.

    Fedor at number 3 since he has earned it to be in the top 3. There is little reason keeping me from putting him at number 1. However, he has made it clear as of recent that he is not as passionate about his MMA career as we may have thought and has chosen a path that is not worthy of the worlds pound for pound best. Maybe in the future we will see what he is really capable of since it has been a while since he was close to a 50/50 bet, let alone the underdog. I don’t want to say he is dodging competition, but his management certainly can do something to answer all these questions surrounding their fighter. Wether they do or not is yet to be seen.

    BJ Penn sits at #4 since he is clearly the best at 155 and when he fought Machida, he was waaay too out of shape. He is not likely to get any higher on my list due to his questionable mental game however his skillset and natural talent is up there with the best of them.

    Machida is coming in at a solid #5 as he may be on his way up this list. He has proven to be one of the best in the world ( see his resume ). And even though he drinks his own pee and I can’t see that being helpfull in any way, he can fight with the best of them as he has the perfect skillset to defend striking and he is very versed on the ground. We know he is tough to take down and has some good takedowns of his own (mostly sweeps) however, I’m not so sure of his chin and would like to see how he does once he has a chance to make his way around the LHW division. Interest is building fast on this guy and we should see what he is like under all new hights of pressure in the near future when he meets the likes of Randy Couture, Anderson Silva, Rampage Jackson, Shogun, and a cast of many other superstars and supertalents.

    I think 5 is enough. Going past 5 on a p4p list gets a little too much about preference and speculation about who MIGHT be the NEXT big thing. These guys are securely in their place and it’s hard to argue anyone else in there.

  • edub says:

    Mac:
    NO WAY he drink his own pee. Does he really? How has this not been discussed before. Did he start doing it after Marquez did it on national TV??

    Anyways good assesment about anything below the top 5 being subjective.

  • Ronin says:

    How is Shogun and the Nog brothers there? and why is BJ above a fighter he lost twice to?
    You P4P list is unforgivable by any Sherdog troll standards.

    Pound for Pound
    1. Anderson Silva (25-4)
    2. Georges St. Pierre (19-2)
    3. Fedor Emelianenko (30-1, 1 NC)
    4. Lyoto Machida (15-0)
    5. B.J. Penn (14-5-1)
    6. Gegard Mousasi (26-2-1)
    7. Mike Thomas Brown (22-4)
    8. DanHenderson (25 – 7)
    9. Jon Fitch (19-3, 1 NC)
    10. Brian Bowles (8-0)

  • Jak says:

    I’ve always been a dedicated reader of 5 oz….

    But this list is horrible.

    There is really nothing else to say.

    Horrible.

  • mac wilson says:

    Ya edub, he loves it. Does it every morning with his family. They have always done it. Some people consider it therapudic as some vitamins and other things are expelled. However there are a lot of toxins and things your body doesn’t want.

    I saw Joe Rogan do it on a radio show in defence of it. It may be relatively harmless, but it makes me sick imagining the experience.

  • Cory Brady says:

    Alright, I’m gonna start from the bottom and work my way up.

    edub, first of all, Brian Bowles is my boy, but I’m sure even he would tell you that at just eight fights he’d be shocked to see himself rated as high as #6 on your list. Sure he beat Torres, and Torres is a stud, but there’s no way that one big victory in your eighth bout .

    And Kos in the top twenty? Again, Koscheck is cool as hell, but c’mon dude, he’s 2-2 in his last 4, with wins over Yoshiyuki Yoshida and Frank Trigg.

    Also, I don’t know how both Nogueira brothers managed to miss your top twenty but I’m absolutlely dumbfounded. Do I really have to argue the Nog bros. worth over guys like Bowles, Edgar, Koscheck and Aoki?

    Either way, I totally respect your opinion and am happy to see you at least got some of them right, lol

  • Cory Brady says:

    @edub- Shogun nowhere near the list? Seriously? He beats guys like Rampage, Rogerio Nogueira, Overeem, Arona, comes back out of shape and drops one fight to Griffin, then comes back with wins over Coleman and Liddell, and he should be nowhere near the list? His resume makes that impossible, but just based on his skill set alone there’s no reason he’s not in the top ten. You’d be hard pressed to find a more well rounded fighter than Shogun.

  • Cory Brady says:

    @ Shotokai – I have no love for either B.J. Penn or Lyoto Machida outside of my respect of their skills as fighters. Anyone that knows me is fully aware that you will never find me hooting and hollering while either of those guys fight. Not that I dislike either of them, just never been a tremendous fan of watching them compete.

    Whie you point out that GSP has cleared out his division, he has suffereed recent defeats at his weight class. More recent than B.J. has at lightweight. Granted, GSP has been more active at his respective division, but I also feel like there’s no reason why B.J. doesn’t clean out lightweight in due time. But people talk like Diego Sanchez is some kind of real threat to his crown. The same Diego Sanchez that just went the distance with Clay Guida and Joe Stevenson? Sorry but there’s no way that Guida makes it to the final bell with Penn, and we all saw what happened to Joe Daddy.

    My point being that Penn is just as dominant in his weight class as GSP is at his. I also feel like B.J. is the more complete fighter. GSP is fantastic at making his number one strength work for him (his wrestling), but I’m still not sold on his stand-up. Where I have no worries with Penn going anywhere with anyone, just as long as they aren’t naturally twenty pounds larger than him.

    I can’t be any more clear with this. Losses to GSP and Hughes mean nothing to my determination of p4p ranking because they weren’t contested at Penn’s natural weight class. That’s like expecting for GSP to just go to middleweight and start knocking guys dead. It’s just not going to happen.

    St-Pierre is the superior athlete, B.J. is the superior fighter.

    Of course it”s not like I don’t have a ton of rspect for GSP, just not as much as many seem to feel I should.

  • Cory Brady says:

    @ Xtreme Machine – I’m glad you brought up Brock because I think he is a perfect example as to the reasoning behind my thought process in making the list.

    Is it really that huge of a mystery that Lesnar has a huge advantage over his opponents in the size department. If somoeone doesn’t understand the signifigance that twenty pounds can make at this level of fighting, it’s a lost cause for me to even stake an argument.

    But I’m sure you’re aware of potential factors large differences in size can contribute to.

    Let’s just say we take Brock Lesnar and we shrink him down twenty or thirty pounds and have him fight Frank Mir again; dees that fight end the same way in your opinion? I don’t think so. Brock has one incredibly awesome dimension, but his overall skill level is far from top twenty caliber at this time. His wrestling is top notch, but his submission attack in non-existent, stand-up defense is shabby, and has had a great amount of success wwith his awkward punches due to his monstrous frame.

    That’s enough for now. I’ll be back to pick up where I left off in a while. In the meantime, keep up the healthy debate and conversation! Many of the arguments you guys are making are extremely eye opening, as usual.

  • twyg says:

    1. Fedor- Really simple does anyone beat him if wight were not an issue. The anwser is 99 times out of 100 is no
    2. Machida- Before anyone asks me who A.Silva is not in this spot my reply is that A.Silva said he would lose and I think he is right.
    3. A.Silva- No one besides the two men above has even a chance to beat him and he could beat either of them; they would just win more times then not.
    4. Penn- See Corys article
    5. GSP- See Corys article
    6. Henderson- He can fight in two wight classes and beat almost anyone in them, and maybe some heavies. That is real P4P.
    7. Big Nog- If wight were not an issue he is the UFC heavywieght champ. Can take a beating and still beats you.
    8. Mousasi- All I have to say is impressive. This guy will be on this list for a long time and will only be moving up. Now if he could just get some better opponents to really show us what he is made of.
    9. Nate- Great all around game and if not for A.Silva maybe a champion.
    10. Shields- Great WW; maybe a great MW? Time will tell.

  • BigDave says:

    WOW!

    Cory you have officially lost your mind 😉 . Even though it should be clear to EVERYONE that GSP is the best fighter on the planet bar none, you can make a case for fedor and even silva. But here is why that assesment would be wrong. Fedor has really not fought anyone Except Little Nog 3 times(2 dec, 1 accidental cut) and beyond that it was guys past there prime or guys that although great k1 fighters not mma guys. With Silva its simple to see why he should be behind GSP. Silva’s last four fights have been Irvin, cote, leites, and griffin, Where as Rush has fought Alves, penn, fitch, and serra. Now I’m not tring to bash Silva but it is clear from where i’m sitting that in the last 2 years GSP has fought the better opponents.To me there is no way in the world no matter how you slice it that you could have anyone other then GSP at number 1. I could make a case for Machida being ahead of silva aswell but that would be a much harded decision to make. And as for my number five guy as much as it sickens me to even think about this piece of garbage BJ Penn has walked threw his division so far. I,m just hoping that Sanchez will destroy him so I can permanently remove him from my list. As far as the guys from 6-20 i don’t have any gripe because really they are so interchangeable depending on what they all do in there next fights which is a testament as to just how good this sport is and how deep it has become. Agree to disagree I guess.

  • wifeinthong says:

    i like how u think Dave,in addition to put it more simply there alot of Big names or well known names for am example Tank aboott Ken Shamrock, (Im taking this to the extreme) there not in the top ten but if Fedor fights them is he still number one because he has no losses.

    Shane CArwin has had one legitimate well known name and has no losses but beacuse of who he has fought he’s NOT in the top ten but Fedor is

    There is a real top ten for a reason Fedor may fall at the end of that top ten or maybe top 15 but number one he hasnt fought Randy, Mir, Brock, Vetor, Anderson Syvia, Machida,

    Wow as Im naming them off Id be embarrassed thats called dodging and plain scared those guys are at the top of there game Fedor keeps fight guys in the top 12-20 ranking not bad but not enough to be number one

  • cocoonofhorror says:

    the reason you can “already hear it coming” is because it is batshit crazy. i half think you are trolling by putting Penn above GSP, and im a huge Penn fan.

  • cocoonofhorror says:

    oh, and Frank fucking Mir? give me a break. you just lost whatever credibility you had.

  • Cory Brady says:

    No cocoon, the reason I already hear it coming is because I’ve been around long enough to know that it’s impossible to create any kind of rankings system that everyone is going to agree with.

    But please feel free to post your personal top 20. I’d love to skim it over.

  • jim7283 says:

    Shougun doesn’t deserve to be in the top 15 – who has he beat? Old ass Liddell and old ass Coleman – theyre nice names to have under your belt, but are YEARS past their prime. Plus Machida is going to make him look more ridiculous than Rashad next month, after which he should not even be considered in the top 25 pound-for-pound fighters… to put him that far ahead of a guy like Mir is a disgrace.

    My top 3 (which IMO is all that matters)

    1. Fedor
    2. Anderson
    3. GSP

    With Machida looming… KARATAYYYYYYYYYYY

  • metalmulisha says:

    1. Fedor
    2. Anderson Silva
    3. St.Pierre
    4. Mousasi
    5. Machida
    6. BJ Penn
    7. Shinya Aoki
    8. Nick Diaz
    9. Nate Marquardt
    10. Josh Barnett

  • metalmulisha says:

    11. Kimbo Slice
    12. Tank Abbott
    13. Ken Shamrock
    14. Don Frye
    15. Butterbean

  • edub says:

    “@edub- Shogun nowhere near the list? Seriously? He beats guys like Rampage, Rogerio Nogueira, Overeem, Arona, comes back out of shape and drops one fight to Griffin, then comes back with wins over Coleman and Liddell, and he should be nowhere near the list? His resume makes that impossible, but just based on his skill set alone there’s no reason he’s not in the top ten. You’d be hard pressed to find a more well rounded fighter than Shogun.”

    Cory buddy.. The wins you talk about happend almost four years ago. Wins over Liddell and Coleman are not big enough wins to keep him in the top ten IMO. Although as I think about it a case can easily be made for him 10-20. I guess well see how good he really is with the level of competition he gives Machida. I for one dont think he has a shot at beating Machida but thats just me.

  • edub says:

    “And Kos in the top twenty? Again, Koscheck is cool as hell, but c’mon dude, he’s 2-2 in his last 4, with wins over Yoshiyuki Yoshida and Frank Trigg.”

    Shogun is is 3-2 in his last 5 fights with wins over Liddell, Randleman, and Coleman. WIth losses coming to Griffin and Coleman repectively.

    Franky Edgar in his young career already holds wins over Tyson Griffin, Jim Miller, and Sean Sherk. But the main reason hes on my list is that looks like he could make 145 quite easily and possibly 135. I also try to spread my rankings around multiple weight classes and already had 4 for lhw so lil nog got the shaft. Big Nog could also have an argument for my top twenty but guys like Aoki have more quality wins over the past two years. In fact the reason i dont have Aoki a lot higher on this list is his recent loss to Sakurai.

    My main reason for having someone on a pfp list is how dominant they are. Not how well rounded they are. Shogun is a hell of a lot more well rounded than Aoki is but Aoki has been more dominant in the recent years.

  • metalmulisha says:

    Well to be fair to Aoki that fight with Sakurai was not at his weight class. In my ranking I didn’t penalize Penn for getting rape by GSP because he wasn’t fighting at his natural weight class so I didn’t hold it against Aoki either.

  • edub says:

    I didnt hold it against Penn as much as Aoki because GSP is #1 at 170 and #2 on my pfp list. Sakurai is not top 10 at 170 and possibly not even top twenty. BJ would be at #4 on my list if he had a better showing against St. Pierre, and Aoki would probably be in my pfp top ten if he had a win against Sakurai. If Penn wouldve beat St. Pierre I would have him at #2 behind Anderson, and if Aoki wouldve beat Sakurai I would have him in the 6-7 range.

  • MM izzle my Nizzle says:

    What the [email protected] does p4p mean anyway? truth is the best fighter in the world comes from the heavier weights because (drum roll please) weight matters in fighting!. That is why there is weight classes in the first place. But if you are talking about who is the most dominant in their weight class it has to be Fedor. Why? because he has never really lost and has faced the who’s who of MMA except for a few HW fighters in the UFC who are not allowed to fight outside the Octagon.
    So the p4p list goes as follows…
    1) Who
    2) [email protected]’n
    3) Cares
    4) It
    5) Doesn’t
    6) Mean
    7) A
    9) [email protected]
    10) Thing

  • MM izzle my Nizzle says:

    # 8 is DMX

  • oakmantex says:

    I agree with your top 3 and a lot of the other picks. I think you should follow Sports Illustrated and add Jake Shields to the P4P rankings. Shields was in the top ten BEFORE his current 12 fight win streak.

  • MMAJay123 says:

    I try to not get sucked in to these, but that list of your’s is….. well there isnt a word for my reaction. Cory….stop sniffin glue man. G.S.P in my opinion is without a doubt in the top three, and personally think he is number 1. Those who rank him lower because he lost to serra, is absurd. Losing isnt the sign of weakness…it is how an individual responds to a defeat. I would say G.S.P has responded like a true champ…and p4p leader. His Competition has been top notch, and he improves in leaps and bounds every fight. He beats stronger, faster and according to Cory, more skill fighters, ( cough, choke) with ease. He hasn’t even reached his prime yet. Please give your head a shake. I agree, only the top five should even be mentioned… the rest are to circumstantial.
    Furthermore, If G.S.P. gains wieght the right way…slowly, with a nutritionist, he has all the tools to give Anderson a bad night..and an embarressing lose to a welterweight.

    Here are my top five, to be fair:

    1. G.S.P.
    2. Anderson S.
    3. Fedor ( till proven otherwise )
    4. Machida/Shogun ( who ever wins there bout )
    5. An in shape B.J. “cry baby” Penn.

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