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UFC’s Heavyweight Division: From Rags to Riches

From February 2003 to March 2007, the UFC‘s heavyweight championship was in a dark place. This was the time frame that it’s crown was traded back and forth between Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski, with a brief special appearance by Frank Mir in 2004. For a long time, there was not much to get excited about outside of the previously mentioned three.

Randy Couture was able to snap the heavyweight division out of it’s funk, and to breathe some new life into the weight class when he toppled the much larger Sylvia in their title clash in March of 2007.

Of course the division went through another dark phase while Couture and the UFC were engulfed in a court battle regarding the veteran fighters desire to be released from his contract, and during that time, dangerous Pride FC veteran, Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, was also able to defeat Tim Sylvia on his way to being crowned the UFC’s interim heavyweight champion in Couture’s absence.

To confuse matters worse, when Couture decided to make his return to the UFC, he was dethroned by former WWE superstar turned mixed martial arts phenom, Brock Lesnar, making Lesnar the UFC’s heavyweight champion.

Of course, that would be a little too easy to understand. So just to top things off, one month after Brock’s staggering victory over Couture, Frank Mir was able to knock out Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira and claim his half of the UFC heavyweight championship.

As it stands now, Lesnar and Mir will face off at UFC 100 for the second time, this time for the unified heavyweight championship of the UFC. Will the winner of Mir vs. Lesnar be the heavyweight king in the UFC for many years to come? Well, the odds are definitely stacked heavily against them.

In the twelve year history of the UFC’s heavyweight championship, not a single champion has managed to hold onto his title for longer than a year and a half. The most defenses to the title ever made by a UFC champion was two. Randy Couture did it back in 2001 when he beat Pedro Rizzo twice, and Tim Sylvia also managed to defend his belt twice in 2006, once against Andrei Arlovski and the second time against Jeff Monson.

The bottom line is this, the UFC has never had a dominant heavyweight champion. However, the potential for a long running heavyweight championship may be greater right now, than it ever has before.

Currently the heavyweight division in the biggest fighting promotion in the world seems to be more stacked with talent than it ever has before. More promising than anything else, most of the divisions prospects are young, up and coming fighters with seemingly unlimited potential.

Following an extended stretch of normalcy for the UFC’s big men, the division promises to be abundant with fascinating, and most importantly, exciting match ups for quite some time to come.

In a year or two, after many of the names that I am about to mention have faced off with one another, will the UFC’s first truly dominant heavyweight emerge from the ashes, or will the present abundance of talent just reinforce the past trend with the UFC’s heavyweight belt, forcing it to be passed back and forth every title defense or two? I don’t claim to have the answer to that question, but I do know this, for the first time that I can remember, I am genuinely excited about UFC’s heavyweight division.

Let’s take a closer look at some of the key players in the upcoming tournament of destruction.

Frank Mir

I know, Mir isn’t exactly a fresh face in the UFC’s heavyweight division but his ability to keep himself relevant by submitting two other guys on this list, and most recently shocking many with his improved stand up while knocking out former UFC interim heavyweight champion, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. At twenty nine years old, possessing some of the games most dangerous submissions and always improving striking skills, Frank Mir has as good a chance as anyone to take control of the UFC’s heavyweight division for a long time. If he is able to get past Brock Lesnar at UFC 100, it would be hard for me to pick against him for a long time to come. If he is able to get past Brock Lesnar.

Brock Lesnar

Hands down my front runner for having the best chance at being a dominant champion for years to come. While I will admit that it’s hard to assume that Brock is as good as I think he may be with only four bouts to his name, his freakish strength, athletic ability, overpowering size, and ever improving boxing are going to make Lesnar the heavyweight that I have a hard time seeing anyone beating anytime soon. While he obviously showed a hole in his arsenal when he was submitted by Frank Mir in the first round of their bout at UFC 87, that fight was over a year ago, and on top of his strength and athletic ability, Lesnar has displayed an uncanny capacity to learn a tremendous amount in a short amount of time. His ability to soak up different tricks of the trade like a sponge combined with his natural ability place Brock in the front runners position of this talent pool.

Shane Carwin

It doesn’t take much to get excited about this massive, always impressive heavyweight. All eleven of Carwin’s fights have combined to last a whopping total of twelve minutes and twenty two second. Needless to say, it doesn’t take powerful Greeley, Colorado native has stopped every single man that has stood before him in less than one round, in an average of about one minute and six seconds per bout. He showed the sign of a true fighter when he was rocked in his last bout with Gabriel Gonzaga, but managed to weather the storm and knock the top ranked Brazilian unconscious with a devastating straight right hand just over a minute into their bout on March 7th. Much like Lesnar, Carwin has a strong wrestling background he brings to MMA, combined with freakish strength and size. It’s going to be hard to pick against Carwin until I see him lose. Something that doesn’t seem to be likely anytime very soon.

Cain Velasquez

What does Velasquez have in common with the two previously mentioned heavyweights? You guessed it, an impressive collegiate wrestling resume. A former All-American, Velasquez is a scholar of the prestigious Arizona State University wrestling team. the same team that has produced the likes of Jamie Varner, CB Dollaway, Ryan Bader and Aaron Simpson. Much like Carwin, none of Cain’s previous opponents have managed to make it to the scorecards. Velasquez has shown tremendous striking ability combined with top level wrestling that combines to create the much sought after ability to dictate where the fight goes. Cain is comfortable no matter where the fight ends up, and that makes him one of the heavyweights with the most potential to really stir things up in the UFC in the near future.

Junior Dos Santos

Dos Santos exploded onto the UFC’s heavyweight scene when he knocked out consensus top five rated heavyweight, Fabricio Werdum, in the very first round of their contest held in October of 2008. Widely seen by many to be a tune up for the top ranked heavyweight, Dos Santos left a lasting mark in the heavyweight division, and considering who he trains with, it shouldn’t have been as big a surprise as it was. Black House Gym is home to both Nogueira brothers, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, Lyoto Machida, and the list just goes on and on. His last appearance in the octagon saw him dismantle the towering Stefan Struve by TKO in the very first round. A purple belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with a kickboxing record of 18-0 and an MMA record of 8-1, the twenty four year old Brazilian is sure to be one to watch in the future.

Pat Barry

This K-1 veteran became one of the UFC’s most devastating strikers the moment he signed his initial four fight deal with the organization. Barry had competed in K-1, Chuck Norris’ World Combat League and is a former Sanshou champion prior to making the decision to transition over to mixed martial arts. Up until this point in his young career, he has fought four times, finishing all four by knockout in the first round. Training with Alan Belcher and Eric “Red” Schafer at Duke Roufus’ gym is sure to be a considerable factor in the continued development of this talented striker. Barry is notorious for the owning some of the hardest kicks in the business and an equally impressive set of hands.

Cheick Kongo or Antoni Hardonk?

The reason I lump these two heavyweights together followed by a question mark is fairly simple. Both have had their share of ups and downs since coming to the UFC, and both are currently on an upswing, but these two will be meeting up in just a couple of weeks on the main card of UFC 97. The winner of that bout will clearly be the much larger prospect with the most potential to be a key player in the future of the UFC’s heavyweight division. Both men are tall, imposing fighters with dangerous striking arsenals. Kongo continues to improve all aspects of his game, while Hardonk is as lethal as they come on the feet. This one promises to be filled with fireworks, and to serve as a heavyweight prospect elimination bout all in the same night.

25 COMMENTS
  • zeke123 says:

    >by former WWE superstar turned mixed martial arts phenom,

    I think we all knew where this was headed after this line.

    Thanks for reminding everyone how pathetic the HW’s are in the UFC now that old Man couture and Minautoro (who looked 83 in his last fight) are nearing the end.

    I cant wait for Lashley to join this circus, he is after all also a champion wrestler when he was a student (they dont even bother going after world caliber wrestlers but ones who were strong fighting 18 yrs olds out of high school) and he has name recognition from fake wrestling which as we all know is the most important thing.

    I just love it when writers try to justify their favorites by saying they have ‘improved’ over the last year (every fighter should improve so its not like its unheard of ) and are catching on to new concepts. Kimbo was also better a year after than he was when he started and he also grasped concepts that most fighters understand quickly too. Didnt make him good fighter though.
    I’d be more shocked if I heard that someone hasnt improved after training seriously for a year than if they did improve.
    As for size, strength and athletic ability, I’d like to remind you of Ricardo ‘The Mutant” Morais who is 6’8, 280pds, no bodyfat and a BJJ dude who competed in the ADCC.
    Ever see him fall down after getting knocked out? Tiiiiiiimber.
    Big guys fall down too. Very impressive.
    Google Aleksander Emelianenko vs Ricardo Morais and take 30secs…its not long.
    Morais was big and skilled and never panned out.

    Speaking of mutants, keep an eye on Teddy Riner, the young frenchman who won the Judo worlds AND euros at 18 and bronze in the Olympics at 19.
    The kid is already 6ft9, 290pds. He wont be coming to MMA any time soon as his goal is to become like his countryman, the judo legend David Douillet, but after the 2016 games he will only be 27 and might be ready for a new challenge.

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    A division that has only three out of the top 10 HW in the world and is without the likes of Fedor, Werdum, Arlovski, Barnett, Overeem, Kharitonov, Sylvia, Cro-cop, Monson, Nelson, Buentello and Big foot etc and has a champ that has only competed in 4 MMA matches and has a record of 3-1, is ranked 6 or 7 in the world according to this site and took his title off a 46 year old guy who hadn’t fought in ages and couldn’t even hold the title for more than 1 or 2 fights, is hardly stacked. A “world title” in my opinion where about 15 out of the top 20 fighters fight elsewhere is not a world title to be proud of. Next you will say that the UFC middleweight and lightweight divisions are rich. The UFC HW division may be competitive and one of the best in the world but it is not stacked that is for sure.

  • AlwaysRelaxing24 says:

    The UFC has more then 3 Top 10 fighters. It seems like wins never seem as important, and losses always count more for UFC fighters compared to their counterparts who are fighting in Japan or other organizations. It has been that way for years. Look at how badly UFC fighters were ranked compared to Pride fighters, only to see over the last 2 years that Pride was in no way superior.

    And you mention Roy Nelson. Who has he beaten exactly? Antonio Silva? Who has he beaten? Kharitonov has basically been non-existant for the last 18 months. Cro Cop was already in the UFC, and got beat down twice.

    The UFC’s Heavyweight Division is very underrated. A lot of good talent is there. It is obviously not as stacked as their other divisions. Then again, the same thing can be said about the entire Heavyweight Division across the entire sport when compared to the lighter divisions.

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    AlwaysRelax! according to this site the have 4 top 10 but I don’t count Randy cuz he hasn’t fought for ages and then lost to a 2-1 newcomer and since he has been in the UFC he has been beaten down about 5 times out of about 12 unlike Cro cops 2. Who has roy Nelson beaten?.. who has Lesnar beaten, who has Carwin, Valasquez, dos Santos,Pat Barry beaten? and if you look at ex pride fighters at one point they were MW champ (Silva) HW champ (Nogueira) and LHW champ (Rampage) of the UFC When UFC fighters went to Pride similar things happened. The UFC has one of the best HW divisions but come on, thats because the rest and best are spread across 4 or 5 other companies.

  • ZP580 says:

    Typical UFC bashin goin on here. The UFC HW division may not be stacked, but is definitely an exciting division to watch. To respond to “MMA Logic” up there:There is on 3 names on ur top 10 HWs that I would wanna see in the UFC. Fedor, Arlovski again and Overeem. The rest are irrelevant. CroCop already had his chance, as did Werdum and Monson. I dont even know why Sylvia is on ur list. He has lost 3 of his last 4. Hate all yall want UFC has the best fighters in the world. Pride vets have already come over and been beat down. The only Pride vet holdin his own is Rampage and he is an American fighter that only fought Pride cuz Tito is his boy.

  • AlwaysRelaxing24 says:

    Brock Lesnar has beaten Heath Herring and Randy Couture. Junior Dos Santos has beaten Fabricio Werdum. Shane Carwin has beaten Gabriel Gonzaga. Those are all legit wins.

  • AlwaysRelaxing24 says:

    The Top 10 has the following fighters in it (in no exact order):

    UFC Fighters: Brock Lesnar, Frank Mir, Randy Couture, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, & Junior Dos Santos. Non-UFC Fighters: Fedor Emelianenko, Andrei Arlovski, Josh Barnett, & Tim Sylvia.

    That’s 9 fighters. The 10th spot would likely go to Overeem or Carwin. The 10th spot is really up for grabs. Rothwell, Nelson, & Silva don’t have a big win to get them in there. Gonzaga, Cro Cop, Buentello, Monson, & Kongo have loses that set them back from being ranked higher.

    So from my list, that’s 5 or 6 Top 10 guys from the UFC. And it’s only going to increase as they build that young talent like Valesquez, Berry, and others. Doesn’t mean they will all be at the top, but the UFC is really the only organizationg building up Heavyweights for the future as well.

    I would say the author is correct. It really is rags to riches for the UFC.

  • broncos12405 says:

    Really good article! Even though I think that Kongo is a contender and Hardonk just a prospect at this point. Kongo’s only loss in the last two years was to Heath Herring and that could of gone either way. other than that, I think the division is stacked and on the up n up. Forget what the haters say ,those chumps are always looking foe something to tear down.

  • B.S.MMA_Police says:

    “To confuse matters worse, when Couture decided to make his return to the UFC, he was dethroned by former WWE superstar turned mixed martial arts phenom, Brock Lesnar, making Lesnar the UFC’s second interim heavyweight champion.”

    Actually, Lesnar is THE Heavyweight Champion, Mir won the INTERIM HW Title from Big Nog.

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    Listen I’m not bagging the UFC just for the sake of it. According to this site only 4 UFC fighters make the top 10…fact. Randy Couture has won 2! thats right 2! HW fights in the last 7 years…fact, so he hardly qualifies. I see your top 10 but it’s only your top 10. My top 10 would go as follows Fedor, Barnett, Arlovski, Werdum, Mir, Nogueira, Sylvia, Overeem, Lesnar, Monson, until the likes of Brock Lesnar fight more than 4 times he only just qualifies. It’s not UFC bashing it’s fact that only 4 are in there on this site HAVE A LOOK!

  • undrafted says:

    Why included logic in your username? Randy doesn’t qualify but Tim Sylvia (who holds only a win over Brandon Vera in the last 2 years) does? Didn’t those guys fight in March 2007?

    Monson is not top 10. His only legit wins against current top fighters are a controversial (and lackluster one) against Nelson and an April 2006 win against Cruz. At 5’9″ and 38 years old, I have my doubts he can beat anyone top 10.

    Overeem looks impressive but he has only beaten Buentello and a washed up Hunt in the last few years (in MMA). I’m not so sure the UFC is missing much if he fights stateside under regular testing. I’ve never said anything before but now with the like of Bonjasky bringing it up, I’ll do the same. I’m sure countless guys cycle on between matches but Overeem’s 30+ lb muscle gain is suspicious. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt when ranking but I won’t be so sure the UFC is missing much.

    Sylvia is on a rapid decline IMO. Barnett is on the boring side, has tested positive before, and isn’t exactly the “company man” the UFC would like to sign. Werdum did lose to dos Santos and wouldn’t take a paycut. Any of the 3 would be a nice addition to the UFC but they’re not likely to ever challenge for #1 in the world again. Sure the UFC would be much stronger with Fedor and Arlovski. Several guys are missing in regards to depth. But I do think they have half or the current top 20 and will have more once Affliction goes under.

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    Look I’ll say it 1 more time ACCORDING TO THIS SITE THE UFC ONLY HAS 4 OUT OF THE TOP TEN HW IN THE WORLD! and according to this site the top 3 fight elsewhere.Its not me people it’s this sites rankings. Randy has only won 2 hw fights in the last 7 years! it’s a fact. Lesnar has only competed in MMA 4 times (a fact) only once against a guy who is (in my opinion) top 10 and he lost to that fighter in Frank Mir. Don’t dismiss this as UFC bashing look it up. The LHW division is stacked so is the WW division but the HW division is not. The UFC is my favourate company but I look it up the stats and rankings and that is what it says.
    And if you don’t consider Tim Sylvia to be worthy of a top 10 then Randy has beaten nobody in the top 10. You can say whatever you like but those are the facts…PLEASE before commenting look it up. Maybe there will be great fighters to come out of the UFC in the future but they don’t have a very good HW division at the momment. According to this site the top 3 fight elsewhere.

  • undrafted says:

    So quanity matters more than quality? Lesnar beat Couture. Couture beat Sylvia. What anyone did 3-5 years ago doesn’t really matter that much does it?

    Sure HW isn’t stacked like LHW, MW, and WW. I consider Tim Sylvia top 10 (if he still want to fight MMA) but was just pointing out that you shouldn’t given your logic. Noone called it “stacked” so you’ve been arguing against a strawman. The original article said “more stacked”. And the point is that the UFC is getting the young prospects now and cheaply building for the future. “very good”? Who does. Affliction since they have 4 of this sites top 10? 2 of whom are boxing now? So I guess everyone sucks now? Is that how it works?

  • JJ Docker says:

    MMA-LOGIC your name is very misleading, I suggest you change it to MMA-UNREASONABLE. It’s more accurate and probably catchier, too.

    Nice article.

  • JJ Docker says:

    Oh, and comparing Brock Lesnar to Ricardo ‘The Mutant” Morais is ridiculous, to say the least. That guy was an average grappler that competed in ADCC because of his height, basically. From memory I don’t think any of his wins even came by submission. Brock Lesnar on the other hand is a world-class wrestler. He’s a two-time NCAA All-American, two-time Big Ten Conference Champion and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion. There’s a big difference between the two there. There’s also a difference in their physical capabilities. Lesnar is 280 but moves like a 200 pounder, with the strength of probably a 350 pounder. He nearly made it on to the Viking’s team with very little football skill; based purely on his physical prowess. He is a real athlete. Which is very rare to come across for someone his size.
    Now I’m not saying that because of this he should be ranked where he is, he shouldn’t, for that you have to defeat fighters like Couture and Herring. But for you to compare him with Ricardo ‘The Mutant” Morais and use that as some sort of justification for him not being in the top 10, well, ridiculous, like I said.

  • 813278 says:

    The problem with these arguments about who they’ve beaten and when are that they’re all lawyerly methods of trying to find a strict test of ranking and sticking to it, and perspective is lost. If Arlovsky was fighting Lesnar tomorrow, who would you bet on? Carwin would surely be favourite against Sylvia, dito Valasquez

  • Stan says:

    I think the rankings, both here and other sites, have been pretty slow to bump old timers from the list favoring strength of competition from over 5 years ago to steamrolling lesser competition. I sometimes wonder if the rankings come just from looking at wins/losses or if those coming up with the rankings have actually watched the fights and seen how completely dominant someone like Velazquez was again Denis Stojnic.

    The upcoming Couture/Nogueira match disappointed me when I heard about it, I would have much preferred the old timers be matched up with newcomers rather than facing each other. Couture vs Kongo would have been much better than nostalgic matchmaking of fights that would have been interesting if they’d been made 8 years ago.

  • KTru says:

    Lesnar is champion,
    Mir interim champion.

    Another pointed out indiscretion, thought it may be my turn.

    Damn, I responded to mma-non-logic in another topic, about his opinion. I come here and more people are doing the same thing. Guess your on an island mma-non-logic

  • Rich B says:

    Worst.
    Thread.
    Ever.

  • Cathedron says:

    Top ten lists are completely subjective anyway, so why does everyone cite them as if they really mean something?

    UFC’s HW division is very interesting right now. Lesnar could prove to be a major force for the next few years (as could Mir, honestly). Several other fighters have the potential to be huge stars at the very least. The UFC may not have everyone, but the only HW I think they NEED is Fedor (but he doesn’t need the UFC). I’d like to see Barnett and Overeem, but I doubt that will happen. Arlovsky will be back in the UFC in a year or so, I’m sure of that. Everyone else is either in a slump or looking a little too old.

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    Yeah looks like I’m on my own. But I’ll still try to get in the last word… Since 2002 at HW:
    Fedor about 21-0
    Sylvia about 21-4
    Couture 2-3!
    Lesnar 3-1
    I never tried to say that the UFC was bad or that it wasn’t interesting in the HW division, just that they don’t have a stacked HW division.
    Try not to insult me please! just argue the facts. If you read I said it was one of the best HW divisions around, I also said it was my favourate company and that the division was competitive. But if consistancy and repeated high class opposition in a certain division doesn’t mean anything well I guess you guys are right and Houston Alexander is top 10 LHW along with Sokadjou. 1 or 2 wins in a division and a top 10 fighter you are not….in my opinion (and mine alone it seems LOL).

  • RU486 says:

    IF you want to get realistic, and I’m not talking about us stats-whores that live and breathe this sport, the average MMA fan can probably only name ten heavyweight fighters. And without getting completely abstract and grsping for straws in small promotions that only a few of us have heard of, there are probably on 20 notable heavyweights period. Without your search engine, prove me wrong on that one.

    As for the UFC’s heavyweight division, It’s more stacked than any other company’s. With Fedor, Barnett, and Arlovski aside, it seems that Affliction’s heavyweights are comprised of a bunch of guys that used to fight in the UFC but aren’t good enough anymore. And even with those aforementioned three, I would love to see how they would fare in the UFC now. Arlovski was impressive in his last outing but got stupid. He should have handed Fedor his first legitimate loss. Barnett was not impressive to me at all. Fedor, well was classic Fedor, always finding a way to win, and that’s what makes him the best. We won’t mention anyone else’s HW division because they are irrelevant except for Overeem.

    I would love to see how Arlovski, Barnett, and Fedor would pan out in today’s UFC HW division. How would these guys fare against Mir, Nogueira, Lesnar, Dos Santos, Velasquez, or Carwin?

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    You hit he nail on the head with your GUESS that Tim would do well any more and your “How would they do against them now”. Exactly my point, they wont fight the best fighters (or the top 10 shall we say) so they will never be or should never be considered the best and they will all know it, Randy knew it . You base your guess work on nothing but your love for the UFC. Unlike us “STATS-WHORES” who base it on more than your gut feeling, silly I know and call me crazy but I don’t trust you or Dana whites opinion, I want to see wins and losses after a fighters name not just Dana white or you saying that these guys are the best. It is just the way us unbelieving heathens do it. We should have more faith I know. It’s horrible for me cuz I have to see them prove how good they are… I wish I could…just believe like you.

  • mu_shin says:

    The basic thesis of the above article is that the UFC heavyweight division has become a lot more interesting of late, with the addition of several notable newcomers, as well as the advent of some re-energized veterans. Can’t see how any MMA fan could dispute this.

    Lots of guys get hung up on what I’ve seen described as “MMA math”, consisting of won/lost records, and convoluted formulas such as “A beat B, and we all KNOW B WOULD beat C, hence A is favored over C”. No doubt there is a place for statistics in good fight analysis, but stats cannot be the holy grail. Any one who has actually watched Brock Lesnar in the ring against Heath Herring and Randy Couture might extrapolate from that experience that his potential is much greater than his record and experience would indicate. Frank Mir lost to Brandon Vera, but does anyone out there think the Mir that submitted Lesnar and knocked out Nogueira isn’t a dramatically different fighter now than he was then? Stats can’t place facts in context. An intelligent open minded MMA fan can.

    As a fan, I’m a whole lot more excited to watch Carwin, Velasquez, Mir, Lesnar, and some of the up and comers named above than I am to watch Barnett, Arlovski, or any of the supposed “top ten” fighters outside the UFC, with the exception of Fedor Emelianenko. Fedor will crush Barnett, as he did Arlovski, and it ‘s just a shame we’ll never get to see him compete against the cream of the field due to business differences. The UFC emphatically does not need Fedor, but is sure would be great for all the MMA fans, both hardcore and casual, to see the best contend with the best. Emelianenko’s Russian handlers have provided him with a good living and greater freedom then a UFC contract would allow, which seems to satisfy him, so it seems unlikely we’ll ever see the most interesting matches, Lesnar/Fedor, or Emelianenko against any of the top UFC heavies. Too bad.

  • MMA-LOGIC says:

    We have a believer HALALUYAH! my brothers. Can I get a “LESNAR IS BEST”?.

    “Any one who has actually watched Brock Lesnar in the ring against Heath Herring and Randy Couture”
    Sustitute Lesnar for Sokadjou and Herring and Couture for Arona and Nogueira if you will.

    “A beat B, and we all KNOW B WOULD beat C, hence A is favored over C”.

    This is nothing to do with anything I said in fact this is a stupid way to look at things and has been proven to be. But put words in my mouth to try and win the argument if you must, if it makes you feel a little better.

    Consistancy against high class opposition in my mind is the only way to find out who is good and who just looks it, that is all.

    I like Randy but he came off 2 losses at HW, dropped to LHW, earned a shot at the crown, got it, couldn’t hold it got KOed twice by Lidell and retired… only to be given an instant title shot at HW!!!? Insane, just plain unfair, why don’t you just give Leben a title shot already… at LHW!.
    Lesnar story is not as bad, but fast-tracked is an understatment. He Bypassed nearly all of the proven UFC HW talent except for Mir who he lost to, to get a HW title shot. Unfair and plain dumb. He was 2-1 for the love of jesus. It is all based on ratings.

    And all this “UFC does not need this fighter and that fighter ” blah blah blah is just saying the UFC does not need these proven HW fighters we’ll just settle for what we have even if they may not be as good or at least proven to be . True or not?. The ideal thing would be to have everyone why argue it’s not? wouldn’t that be best?. I think people are just defending the UFC here. How sweet.

    The article says from rags to riches implying that the HW division is stacked or rich, I say no it is not… untill proven to be.

    I sorry for going on about this but every attack deserves a reply in my book.

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