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Arlovski becomes latest former UFC heavyweight champion to fall to Fedor

Anaheim, Calif. – During Saturday night’s “Day of Reckoning” event presented by Affliction Entertainment and M-1 Global, Andrei Arlovski became the fifth former UFC champion to fall to current WAMMA heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko.

In front of over 13,000 fight fans in attendance at the Honda Center, Emelianenko countered a flying knee attempt by Arlovski with a big right that knocked the Belarussia native to the canvas at 3:14 of round 1, forcing referee John McCarthy to call a stop to the fight while Arlovski lay momentarily unconscious.

In the weeks and months leading up to the fight, famed boxing trainer Freddie Roach, who helped prepare Arlovski for last night’s title fight, questioned Fedor’s standup technique while Arlovski also questioned Fedor’s confidence due to a November loss during the World Combat Sambo Championships in Russia.

In the end, neither Fedor’s confidence or standup skills were an issue with actually both having proved to keys to the stunning first round knockout. After being rocked by a kick to the body, the former PRIDE heavyweight champion appeared to be in trouble.

Sensing that his prey was vulnerable, the 6’3” Arlovski went airborne in order to try and finish Emelianenko with a flying knee. Displaying tremendous poise, Fedor countered the high-risk maneuver with the big right that will be featured on highlight reels for weeks and months to come.

Arlovski now joins an illustrious list of former UFC heavyweight champions beaten by Emelianenko that also includes Kevin Randleman, Tim Sylvia, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, and Mark Coleman. The knockout also served as additional ammunition against critics such as UFC President Dana White that contend that Emelianenko has avoided facing top competition in recent years.

In requiring just 36 seconds to submit Sylvia during Affliction’s “Banned” event this past July and only 194 seconds to knock out Arlovski, Emelianenko’s recent display of dominance could also re-open the debate regarding the “pound-for-pound” best fighter in the world, an unofficial designation that many feel is currently held by UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva.

Emelianenko, now 29-1, could receive an opportunity to add a sixth former UFC heavyweight champion to his resume following Josh Barnett’s third round submission victory over former PRIDE heavyweight Gilbert Yvel during “Day of Reckoning’s” co-main event.

Barnett utilized his takedown ability to control Yvel on the ground for much of the fight. With the exception of several rallies by Yvel, Barnett exhibited most of the offense in the fight and forced the Amsterdam native to tap to punches at 3:05 of round 3.

Leading up to the fight, Affliction organizers were quoted as saying that the winner of the Barnett vs. Yvel heavyweight title would be in line to fight the winner of Fedor vs. Arlovski. While no bout agreements have been signed, sources have revealed to FiveOuncesOfPain.com that the potential Fedor vs. Barnett matchup is already in the works to take place in May or June.

In addition to wins by Emelianenko and Barnett, “Day of Reckoning” also featured a brutal knockout by former UFC light heavyweight champion Vitor Belfort against Matt Lindland at 37 seconds of round 1. The victory was Belfort’s second as a middleweight and comes on the heels of his second round knockout over Terry Martin during Affliction’s first event in July.

Lindland laid motionless in the ring for several minutes after the scary knockout, prompting EMTs to rush to ringside with a stretcher. However, a wobbly Lindland waived the stretcher off and eventually walked out of the Arena’s bowl with the assistance of his trainers. After the show, Lindland was seen as the official event hotel in the lobby signing autographs and chatting with fans.

Once considered a consensus top ten light heavyweight, Belfort will likely begin to garner consideration as a top ten middleweight. The win over Lindland is Belfort’s fourth straight with James Zikic and current UFC fighter Ivan Serati also having been beaten by the 32-year old Brazilian.

121 COMMENTS
  • mikemick says:

    As weird and as bad as it sounds, I think Fedor’s stock as pound for pound best went down (for me… it’ll go up for most people). It was a hard prefight pick, but I had Fedor winning by closing the distance and not allowing AA to move around and box with him. I was somewhat surprised that it seemed Fedor didn’t have an answer for AA throughout 90% of the fight. It was starting to remind me of Overeem vs CroCop, when CroCop just didn’t have an answer to the onslaught. Then BAM, one hit and Fedor is the best again. They say there are no such things as lucky shots, and I wouldn’t call this a lucky shot either. BUT, I would say this was a fortunate shot. A win is a win, but the outcome put more question marks than answers in my head.

  • goodguy says:

    Probably the best that I have ever seen the Pitbull. He really looked great and was taking it to Fedor. He jumped right into the punch that left him face down like a drunk. It just got enough of his chin… *shrugs* Hard to argue about Fedor being the best because all the guy does is win.

    He is a good champion and a great guy. I don’t really understand why I want him to lose so bad.

  • Hero says:

    @ mikemick

    Fedor was feeling Arlovski out to see how he could do against him. Read his interview, during the fight , Fedor felt very comfortable and gained the thought that he could counter him. That’s exactly what he did.

    It’s fun to see that Aleksander Emelianenko said to Arlovski to not drop his hands when he fights at the first Affliction show. And this is exactly this same mistake that Fedor exploited to knock Arlovski out in the first round.

    That was an amazing performance from Fedor. I don’t see how he can not be ranked above Silva, when Silva is fighting weak competitions now.

  • Dox says:

    He is a modest and true champion…he doesn’t boast, he isn’t flashy, he just wins.

  • Trey says:

    Fedor proved NOTHING with this fight. Arlovski was dominating him up until he folded to a rather weak punch just proving that he does have a weak chin as suspected. Fighting ex-good fighters is not what propels you to the best fighter in the world, fighting current good fighters does.

  • Q says:

    Taking it to Fedor? He wasn’t even cut, and he’s the easiest person to cut ever. Arlovski was impressive, be he got KTFO for closing the distance. Before I watched the fight, I heard someone say that Arlovsi was really giving it to Fedor, but that was over exaggerated. Fedor’s speed > Arlovski’s speed.

  • JOEgun says:

    Fedor needs to fight in the UFC. How would he do against Brock Lesnar? No 1st round ko that’s for sure. How would he do against Gabriel Gonzaga, Frank Mir, or Randy Couture? Fedor is no doubt a bad ass. His home needs to be the UFC. Make it work Dana! just deflate your ego and make it work!

  • darkmetal says:

    I don’t think Arlovski was as impressive as many might think:

    Arlovski was playing the role of an “outside” boxer, or one who peppers an opponent from the outside and rarely engages in an “inside” boxing zone. However, Arlovski made the mistake of allowing himself to be pulled into the danger zone multiple times, one being when he was pushed against the ropes and then into the corner early on. A good boxer also knows to circle and stay away from the ropes.
    Arlovski also then made the mistake of trying a power move (the knee), when he had yet to fully “feel out” his opponent. Another boxing mistake with a powerful striker.

    Does anyone here think that Lyoto Machida, for instance, would have made those mistakes? This is why Arlovski is no longer in the UFC, and perhaps he shouldn’t be.

  • KTru says:

    What most of you imbeciles do not understand that Fedor may have been losing up to that point, but by no means in trouble.
    You guys that think you know all that there is about the sport , really do look too much into things. I do not blame you, its another glaring issue with the pussification of America.
    As for the AA supporters, instead of admitting Fedor’s brilliance, you bash him for the competition he has in front on him.
    The UFC has tried to get Fedor, and has failed because the guy does not want to be held down for one organization. Blame him for doing what he wants to do.
    It amazes me how many clowns that come in and use their useless responses and have no clue on what they are talking about and share their stupid opinions.
    This site seems to be a haven for the jackasses that kicked get out of MMA Junkie, MMA Mania, etc…….
    Learn the sport or just shut up. Your opinions show your stupidity.

  • truth says:

    Yeah, you don’t feel out an opponent when it comes to a flying knee, the Pitbull hesitated before letting loose, that was his mistake.

  • Tyler says:

    Nice job KTru I couldn’t have said it better myself.
    I was really getting nauseated reading some posts where people were making it sound as if Fedor was out on his feet and landed a lucky punch.
    It sometimes makes me wonder if they actually watched the fight.

  • ACK! says:

    Arlovski was not dominating that fight. Fedor was being patient, feeling him out, waiting for his oppurtunity. He said himself after the fight that he was impressed with Arlovski’s quickness but felt that he was going to make a mistake, which he did 3 1/2 min into the fight. And when it happened Fedor was ready to pounce, wasting no energy. You all were rope-a-doped right along with Arlovski. He thought he was in control and had Fedor reeling, but in the end he fell (or jumped, rather) right into Fedor’s danger zone. Big mistake (and the fact that he thought he was dominating is evidenced by the fact that he didn’t even pretend to protect himself while throwing the flying knee).

    From my perpective, Fedor out-thought Arlovsk, effectively using his physical advantages against him. This fight perfectly illustrates possibly Fedor’s greatest weapon–his mental abilities and gameplanning.

  • rob says:

    :: clapping at KTru :: well said sir.

  • truth says:

    Throwing that flying knee in the first round was poor judgement, not setting it up was worse,and last Fedors chin>Arlovski, but I ‘d pay to see a rubbermatch.

  • hambone76 says:

    AA looked great, but Fedor was not in trouble. Could Fedor have been in trouble after 3 rounds of being picked apart? Maybe, but we will never know now.

    AA looked good, Fedor took the onslaught and counter punched w/ his very hard overhand/whip right hand. I say both come out looking good in the end. I felt bad for AA, because you could tell how CRUSHEDI am more of an AA “fan,” so I wish he would have stayed patient, but Fedor showed he is still the best current fighter in the world (and prob best ever).

  • hambone76 says:

    accidentally hit enter while editing above post……..but you get the point. War AA and Fedor.

  • mikemick says:

    @darkmetal
    Arlovski left the UFC on a 3 fight win streak.

    @KTru
    Nobody here flamed anyone. You were the first troll to be argumentative and bash a fellow commenter. I don’t care if you were referring to me or someone else… An opinion is an opinion, and this is an appropriate forum to voice your opinion (even if it does suck). People giving opposing opinion’s don’t bother me. People that bash other people for giving opposing opinions do.

    @[everyone who referenced Fedor’s post-fight interview]
    I’m not here to say whether he was or was not lying in his post-fight interview. But, I would be subjective enough to realize that there is a possibility that he exaggerated or tried to cover-up what happened during the fight. Just because he says he was feeling him out, doesn’t mean that that is now gospel. Personally, Fedor seems to be a stand-up type of guy, so I would give him the benefit of the doubt when he makes those remarks. I need to rewatch the fight with that new perspective.

  • Stan says:

    Fedor has 1 punch knockout power and Arlovski really doesn’t. It was interesting the idea of keeping up constant pressure, but 25 minutes is a long time to fight a guy with a legit ability to knock out anyone at any time. I still wonder how Arlovski got announced as the #1 contender for fedor’s “title.” Wasn’t this just another payday before cashing in on Fedor vs Barnett? Hasn’t that been the idea all along?

    It’s funny, the big knock against Fedor for the last couple years has been quality of opponents, but Anderson Silva’s opponents after Dan Henderson in March have been unheralded in James Irvin and Patrick Cote. He doesn’t seem too eager to take on anyone special in his next outing, supposedly going to be Thales Leites. Unless he decides to step up and take on a legitimate opponent at 205, he’s right in the same boat Fedor was in a year ago. It may not be Silva’s fault his division is so weak, but it wasn’t Fedor’s fault that Pride fell apart.

    I’ll save my pound-for-pound vote until after next weekend though. Whomever wins Penn-St.Pierre II will have a much more legit claim than either Silva or Fedor based on quality of opponents.

  • Rich B says:

    @mikemick.

    There’s no ‘if’. It sucked.

  • neijia says:

    > It may not be Silva’s fault his division is so weak, but it wasn’t Fedor’s fault that Pride fell apart.
    I’ll save my pound-for-pound vote until after next weekend though. Whomever wins Penn-St.Pierre II will have a much more legit claim than either Silva or Fedor based on quality of opponents.

    Cannot agree more Stan

  • Trey says:

    You can only be the best pound for pound by testing your talent against real competitors. The GSP – Penn fight winner will be the clear pound for pound champion as neither are afraid to take on ANY comers. Fedor either fights has-beens or freak-shows in Japan on New Years Eve. I am not saying Fedor is not a good fighter, anyone that keeps on winning is clearly good. I am saying he shouldn’t be in the best in the world conversation until he proves it by fighting top level talent

  • CMT says:

    We can break this fight down 5 ways from Sunday, but the fact is Fedor won. Lots of great comments and counter-comments. Now it is time to find out if Fedor is the best. He has to fight in the UFC. Now I am not a big Dana fan, but you have to admire the way he runs the biz. Fedor to truly be considered the best he must fight the best the UFC has to offer: Mir, Gonzaga, and Lesnar (drawing a blank right now on more). If he beats them then he can be called the best in the world. Dana give us what we want. Let Fedor do what he wants, it is a win-win situation. A money train.

  • Tom Hodgson says:

    Anyone who still doubts Fedor is just as stupid as AA’s flying knee. Nighty nighty to another former UFC champion in the first round.

  • Trey says:

    Oh, and by winner of next weeks fight I clearly mean GSP! Go Rush!

  • ultmma says:

    3 horse race for the mythical p4p title Fedor, A Silva, GSP vs. Penn winner

    no matter who you put at the top there is no wrong answer for me here

  • neijia says:

    > After being rocked by a kick to the body, the former PRIDE heavyweight champion appeared to be in trouble.

    This looks questionable in the slow mo replays. The push kick looks like it knocked on Fedor’s hip crease which threw him way back but hard to assess damage. OTOH Fedor made a visibly deep exhale, but clearly he was ready with great reflexes upon seeing Arlovski make his overconfident move. Fedor’s facial expressions also looked like major surprise at Arlovski’s quickness.

    Arlovski looked outstanding. Fedor is still the best. P4P maybe Penn deserves it, though. Cant wait for GSP fight

  • 5percentbodyfat says:

    Ppl please go out and watch a fight. Watch a street fight every once in a while, there is ton of crap on youtube. You will see..

    COMPLETE RANDOMNESS. Its unexplainable. You really can’t say this guy did this or this guy did that, you only have to except the outcome. The outcome was completely random in this fight.

    AA was controlling the fight, knocking Fedor backwards.Tagging him, with jabs to the head and to the body, and leg kicks. Heck he didn’t even allow Fedor to control the clinch.

    …but what happens next? Complete randomness, Fedor throws a Chuck Liddell / Wand haymaker and connects on the off chance the AA throws a flying knee directly and the punch that FEDOR THROWS WHILE HIS HEAD IS DOWN, connects. So if he didn’t throw a punch, he would have got kneed in the HEAD !!!

    AA deserves a rematch. I don’t want to here anything about skill

  • Rich S. says:

    it really is a shame that AA lost the way he did..
    I mean, if he came out, and got dominated for however long, and then put away, that would’ve been different..
    but the dude was winning.. every punch fedor threw missed AA’s face [except for the winner of course] and every punch AA threw was right on..

    and then such a simple, absolutely idiotic mistake ended the fight for AA..

    What the hell was that?!
    Was he trying to flying knee him?
    i mean, there was no freaking momentum!
    gah, somethings i just don’t understand..

    also, i think that’s the first time i’ve ever seen fedor knock someone out..
    i’ve seen plenty of tko’s and subs.. but i can’t remember seeing him knock someone cold..

  • 5percentbodyfat says:

    Look trying a flying knee is absolutely fine with me, in order to shock the world u need creativity. Think Dan Henderson spinning backfist.

  • Denny says:

    It will be hard to top that for KO of the year. IF AA’s mind was as well honed as his striking skills, he might be Fedor’s match. But it isn’t and that’s the result. Well said ACK.

  • platypus says:

    why are there so many people wanting to discredit fedor?

    and why does it seem like all the fans posting have just started to watch mma?

    @rich S.

    fedor KOd yuji nagata, but i think kicked him in the body at the end. i think he also Kod chris haseman…and some other guys in his early career. there are plenty of fedor career packs floating around…easy to find.

  • Carm says:

    I’m kinda sad there’s no many more defunct IFLers or UFCer’s for Fedor to fight. I think personally, my unprofessional opinion, that Barnet threw that fight to make both his and Yvel’s stock go up. He had the mount at the end of round one and the whole rounds of 2 and 3. He could have finished that fight at anytime and he didn’t. Everyone in my living room thought it looked like pro wrestling. And no we weren’t a bunch drunk hillbillies. He was throwing forearms and glancing blows. I think the athletic commission should take a look at it closer. My question is where does Fedor go next? Barnet… then who? Maybe an old Randy gets done with his contract. Overeem? Cro-cop? It’s sad that we’ll never get to see the fights we want due to conflicting contracts and UFC’s unwillingness to cross promote.

  • TS says:

    Still not impressed with Fedor. He was getting dominated in the fight. AA basically knocked his own self out. Fedor through a lazy,ducking right that connected right on the jaw. The knockout came from AA’s momentum from the flying knee. Call it a counter punch if you want. Fedor was in trouble and through up a hail mary. As for the Affliction card all together, not impressed. It contained a bunch of fighters that were washed up in the UFC. If Fedor wants to fight the best, then the UFC is where he needs to be. Affliction poses no threat to the UFC. White and Fertita’s have nothing to worry about.

  • Mike Wolfe says:

    Barnett’s performance against Yvel guarantees that he’ll lose to Fedor. Barnett couldn’t stand with Yvel and won because of superior wrestling. Barnett’s GNP was less effective than I ever would’ve imagined. Fedor will have no trouble with Barnett’s wrestling, and the stand up I saw last night from Barnett won’t be a serious threat to Fedor. Even though Arlovski lost, he was doing well with his stand up. If he hadn’t gotten overly aggressive with the flying knee attempt and pushed the fight into later rounds, his game plan might have paid off. Seems to me that if Fedor has a weakness, it’s his stand up, and Barnett doesn’t have what it takes to exploit it.

  • BigDave says:

    Ok here is the REAL look at this fight. Arlovski was throwing alot of good jabs and leg kicks whereas Fedor threw some looping punches that werent connecting. Then in the clinch Arlovski was able to avoid being slammed or taken down aswell as not getting hit hard inside. then after the ref brought them back to the center of the ring Arlovski continued to throw a nice jab then it was the pushkick that landed on Fedors hip sending him back into the ropes. Arlovski at this point was easily winning the round till this point (not hurting Fedor but winning the round). Then beliving that he had Fedor hurt he threw a telegraphed flying knee that Fedor was able to time and threw a perfectly placed punch which was right on the button Knocking Arlovski out.

    That is the fight right there try to argue my fact then you are not a true MMA fan, just a Fedor or Arlovski nuthugger. I was personally pulling for Arlovski to win but it was not to be and all the credit to Fedor for being able to time his shot and catch Arlovski’s mistake. I hope there will be a rematch sometime soon i think it would be a different outcome.

    As for the pound 4 pound best fighter it is so clearly GSP. He will again prove it when he destroys BJ Penn. GSP is the best athelete in MMA today he has top level jiu jitsu, great standup, and better wrestling then anyone in the 170lbs class.
    Fedor is number 2 on the list just by virtue that he hasnt really been fighting top teir guys till last night but his skill set is the best ive seen so far at 220lbs. Number 3 on the list is Anderson Silva. at 185 there is none better(although a fight with Belfort would be awsome to see) but it is a weak division. A move to 205 may be a good thing but in that division there are guys that i dont see him beating,i.e.,rampage, machida,evans and a few others that id probably would be to big and strong for him.

    So there you have it the gospel of the current MMA top stories either you agree or you are wrong.(Just kidding this is just one guys opinion feel free to argue with my logic I dare you ;))

  • Mike Wolfe says:

    How about all the boos every time Tito was in the ring? My theory is that there were a lot of grammarians in the audience who were offended by his repeated use of “gots” rather than “has.” I could be wrong, though.

  • Chris says:

    I really can care less to see Barnett fight Fedor, I want to see a rematch with Arlovski. This time Arlovski will hopefully stick with what was obviously working. I wont be purchasing the next affliction if the headline fight is Fedor v Barnett, but I will be if they host the rematch.

  • Chris says:

    BigDave your words are true.

  • Joey says:

    Big Dave and everybody else that puts GSP first on P4P . . . do you understand the concept of pound for pound. If Penn wins thats huge because he’s stepping up, if GSP wins it doesn’t really prove shit! he’s fighting a smaller person. The Best 170 lber should beat the best 155 lber.

    As for the Fedor bashers, yes you are completely correct AA, Barnett, Sylvia, etc are complete walks in the park and are all washed up and worthless. The only way Fedor can prove the even belongs in an MMA ring would be to beat Lesnar, Carwin, and Valasquez.

  • Guy Gaduois says:

    Fedor hits very hard and is an incredible fighter. I think much of the ‘backlash’ (it’s actually more of a ‘lash’) has to do with the fact that he’s just a seemingly decent guy. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that several despise him because of his seeming decency and obvious demeanor.
    I would add that his religion makes him imminently hate-able by many.

    If “ifs and buts” were candy and nuts, we’d all have a wonderful Christmas – but I wonder if he’d missed the overhand right if that left hook would have dropped Andre, cause that was thrown with some heat.

    Since I’ve begun collecting his fights on DVD, I’ve grown to admire Fedor more and more. If you’ve only seen him on blurry youtube clips and pirated crud, you really need to see his catalog. I’d also recommend the Fox Special ‘Baddest Man on the Planet’. The guy just seems like a solid human. Good guy.

    The beauty is, everyone has the right to be wrong.

  • TK says:

    Anyone that thinks that AA or Barnett are washed up obviously only watches the UFC and buys into whatever Al Davis errr Dana White says…. Fedor is the best HW in the world the p4p is always and will always be debatable and you really cant go wrong with Fedor, Silva, GSP, Penn, or Torres… Fedor is not ducking people he chooses not to fight in the UFC because he doesnt want to lose the rights to his image and currently there are better HW outside the UFC (until Velasquez and Carwin get a bit more exp) Silva does not duck people he just happened to destroy a good division that now seems weaker and he doesnt want to fight 205 only cuz he wants his training partner and future lhw champion Machida to own that division…. for the record i got penn over gsp 3rd tko

  • Bradical says:

    Okay, let’s give it up for Andrei. Not being biased, cuz he’s my favorite fighter, but he trained very hard for this fight w/some of the best in his corner like Freddy Roach. He wanted this & his speed power from his past 5 fights showed that he’s back as the Pitbull & is only getting better. IMHO if Andrei didn’t get too comfortable & run in w/the knee Fedor would’ve been picked apart w/Andrei’s boxing & his extremely fast & hard punches. It’s been said that Fedor wasn’t phased by the strikes & didn’t show any reaction to them. Well Fedor doesn’t show any emotional reaction to anything because that’s just the way he is. No emotion, no reaction. . .Fedor is just who he is. But a rematch would be in order & I feel Fedor would lose. However…can someone please take Tito Ortiz home & lock him up? He didn’t have any business commentating.

  • blah says:

    Ok Fedor’s backround is Sambo and Judo…. therefore he’s not exactly the stand up fighting type… although he can fight standing up he’s better at takedowns and being on the ground… Also fighting is about taking punches… u can be a good stiker but what good is that if u can’t take a punch?? AA went into this fight having an advantage in the stand up so it didn’t suprise me that he was more dominant… plus this was only the first round why would fedor need to be aggressive early on if he had 4 other rounds to do work?? Plus fedor would mob the UFC heavyweight Division… but thats just my opinion

  • Axl Rose says:

    Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyymn!!!!
    What did we say!?
    Fedor 4 life!!

    People want to call it a mistake on Andrei’s part or say that he just got caught.
    Whatever you want to call it, he got knocked the fuck out!!!!

    That was no mistake!! What is wrong with some people!?
    He would’ve been caught soon or later! Whether Andrei was trying a flying knee or a freakin kimura. It really didn’t matter!!!! He was due for the lights out! let me explain this mathematically for all you slower than normal people:

    weak chin + knockout power = KNOCKOUT OF THE YEAR!!!

    Fedor is da man and that’s that!

    POUND FOR POUND THE BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD!!
    That was no mistake on andrei’s part. That was Fedor just being at a whole differnet level above Andrei.

  • Axl Rose says:

    By the way, why the hell was Tito Ortiz calling Fedor, “Feedor” all friggin night!?!

  • Bradical says:

    I take nothing away from Fedor, he truly is a badass. He lives to fight & is more disciplined than any other man in the sport or any other athlete in is craft period. Andrei was on a wave that peaked at its crescendo & the looping right hook from Fedor made that wave crash on the beach. It was apparent that the slight reaction that Fedor did display was one of surprise to Andrei’s speed & power. Andrei was accurate & landed more than 60% of his strikes. That’s due to his superior standup game over Fedor w/his close tight striking & good snapping hips. I accredit that to his training. Freddy Roach has really made an impact on his style & execution of skill in the ring. However, we all know ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN in this sport. And even though it looked like a lucky shot (punching w/your head faced down)it happened to land where it counted. Andrei got anxious & should’ve slowed it down a bit and let his boxing do the rest. Oh well..rematch is in check I’m sure. But hats off to Fedor.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    I havent seen the post fight, but if fedor didnt own up to the fact that he was being frustrated by AAs speed and boxing, he was lying. Fe-ah-dor looked a bit more confused against AA than ive seen him lately, and i admit id have been more impressed had the ko come while fe-ah-dor could see wher he was throwing it, but a ko is a ko. Good on arlovski for winning up until then, but shame on him for making a liddell style mistake. As far as fedor is concerned, good for him, but i probably wont pay to see affliction again, i dont think it was worth the 50 bucks for spotty audio, low production, and 6 fights.

  • mike says:

    I thought it was a good fight. AA looked good but in the end we saw Fedor expose his chin.

    I could not stop laughing at Tito. He was atrocious throughout the event. He kept screwing Fedor’s name up. Whether it was Feahdor, Fidor, Feeaydor… God it made me laugh. He even messed it up in the post fight interview w/Fedor. He has no future in announcing. I was dumber for having listened to it.

  • David Andrest says:

    Axl Rose- as messed up at Tito may have been with his pronunciation of things.

    He was the only one ( other than Barnett) last night that said Fedor’s name correctly.

    It’s pronounced- FEE- O – Door

    Like Theodore in Russian.

  • 5percentbodyfat says:

    Sam,

    You need to speak on this, because I’m arguing with 5 year olds again. I’ll even let you say that GSP is best pound 4 pound (although its Anderson Silva). Cuz when I read crap like this:

    “Then beliving that he had Fedor hurt he threw a telegraphed flying knee that Fedor was able to time and threw a perfectly placed punch which was right on the button Knocking Arlovski out.”

    I no longer want to comment. Fedor didn’t time anything, he just threw a whirling punch and it randomly hit him. Things are random in sports especially MMA.

  • JollyDV says:

    I thoroughly enjoyed the show last night. Sure the production/audio could have been better, but the fights were exciting. Well worth the PPV cost.

    Tito pronounced Fedor’s name correctly. It just the rest of us that do not say it right.

    I think when we hear/read the post fight comments from Fedor that the language difference may alter what he may actually say. It is only the interpreter’s words that we get, unless you understand Russian.

  • 5percentbodyfat says:

    BTW for all the Fedor fans, here’s a question:

    Are u fans of the BCS, where you can simply vote for the best, and never have your team play another great team. Because thats what Fedor is doing. He is simply claiming “I’m the best fighter in the world” but I refuse to fight in the UFC. Its easy to talk the talk when ur refusing to walk the walk.

    I actually would peg Lesnar to beat Fedor after watching last night.

  • JollyDV says:

    When has Fedor ever claimed that “I’m the best fighter in the world”? Please share your source.

    I am pretty sure that Fedor said during the documentary earlier this week that he does not think he is the best in the world.

  • BigDave says:

    @5percentbodyfat, or should i call you Dana White. Get your head out of your ass please. if your gonna quote what i write please use it in context of the rest of my post. I clearly said Arlovski was winning the fight up till the ko. And as for you saying Fedor is claiming to be the best fighter in the world, he has never once even incinuated that. So go back to your closed box I only like UFC and leave real MMA talk to people that actually have some clue as to wehat they are talking about.

  • EamonJGod says:

    It was a low rent production, but I enjoyed it. AA was scoring points, nothing more, Fedor wasn’t in trouble at any point, and was landing shots the whole fight, significantly less than normal but wasn’t taken out of his game bad enough to not recover. He was just waiting for a counter. I’ve seen him take way more abuse than that weak ass push kick that got Arvloski to jizz in his pants so there shouldn’t be controversy to this victory, nor should there be a rematch any time soon. If Fedor takes out Barnett he is unarguably the number one ranked pound for pound fighter in the world. Which I think he is already, how is Penn’s record so much more impressive. A loss to Machida, soon to be two losses to GSP, wins over Joe Stevenson, Sean Sherk, and an even 1-1 record with Jens Pulver and Matt Hughes. Then take a look at GSP himself. A slightly better record then Penn but still, is it really on par with Fedors? I think Silva is a way better argument for P4P best but Fedor still takes it. He’s just got a better record then them. If you’re going to argue the BS names early in his career all those other fighters have the same thing, there’s always Pete Spratts and HMC’s in people careers. You get past them and get a belt then you take on the other guys beating those guys. As for Fedor in the UFC it’s not going to happen any time soon, Dana just doesn’t have any driving interests to comprise with him. Maybe if Fedor continues to chew up former UFC Champs he will. Fedor Vs. Barnett could be a deciding factor, A decent test for Fedor but I think AA had a better chance and blew it. Fedor would certainly have a harder time beating Mir, or Lesnar who is a freak, but why the hell does Gonzaga keep coming up. Fedor would bash that guy. Gonzaga isn’t going anywhere. We’ll see him with a title when hell freezes over.

  • Rich S. says:

    “That was no mistake on andrei’s part. That was Fedor just being at a whole differnet level above Andrei.”

    Are you kidding me?
    That’s like the same as saying Roger Huerta was on a whole different level than Guida, or Nog was on a different level than CC or something..

    If you’re on “a whole different level” than your opponent, you don’t get your shit kicked in en route to winning..

  • Frank W says:

    Fedor won but i wad surprised at how much more skillful at striking Arlovski was. His striking was clearly the better and he would have got the only take down attempted were it not for the ropes. Andrei being bigger & stronger was really pushing Fedor around.Freddie Roach was right after all about the boxing but you cannot train a person to absorb a direct blow to the chin. Since AA is susceptible to KOs the only thing he could have done to stop it was keep his arms up. Ever since GSP got knocked out, he keeps his hands up.
    I think that Fedor’s mystique is severly weakened and people now know what skill set is needed to beat him.He does have a solid chin and powerful punch.He can absorb a lot of punishment too. Fedor remains undefeated but now vulnerable.

  • Stan says:

    It is interesting to try to guess who Fedor will fight after Barnett. That is, assuming affliction is even around for a 3rd or 4th event, and he wants to fight a real opponent again instead of getting an easy New Years payday in Japan for some Pro Wrestler/Sumo Champion/8-foot-tall kickboxer. Its sad but Fedor vs Kimbo for Japanese fans would actually make sense in that wacky market.

    I doubt Affliction can keep paying $1million+ for Fedor-fodder, nor are there many name opponents left to bring in worth paying that much. With Arlovski and Sylvia, Affliction did a smart thing and picked up fighters that were well known to US fans because of their involvement with the UFC. I suppose for Affliction 4 they’ll try to do that again with someone relatively close to the title picture that wants to cash in one big check from Affliction instead of a few little ones from UFC. Buentello looked pretty impressive last night though, if they can build him up enough, he would be a cheaper solution.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    Rich S-If you’re on “a whole different level” than your opponent, you don’t get your shit kicked in en route to winning.

    Exactly.

    Now it may not be fair to say he was getting his shit kicked in, Kirril took care of that department, however I couldnt agree more. There is no way he is classes above, or on a new level, or any of that shit, when he spent literally the entire round until that point losing.

    For all Fedor lovers, theres no need to be upset, because im sure as you made a point to tell all of your friends last night, “its still a w” or something like that. You can admit he was losing, and maybe even that he would not defeat god himself by armbar in the 1st. The only reason i cannot like fedor as a fighter is mainly because of his fans. Ones that say things like

    -“That was no mistake!! What is wrong with some people!? He would’ve been caught soon or later!”- strictly opinion, and the kind of stupidity that makes me not want to be on fedors wagon. Fedor has just as good a chance of losing a fight upon the opening bell as the dreaded and infamous kimbo slice. Thats the beauty of fighting.

    -“Does anyone here think that Lyoto Machida, for instance, would have made those mistakes? This is why Arlovski is no longer in the UFC, and perhaps he shouldn’t be.”-no he wouldnt if he had AAs boxing he would have UD’d fedor by avoiding contact with him. At least AA went down looking to excite and finish. And AA was 10-4 in the ufc, its not like he showed up a few times, got beat, and made an exit.

  • House says:

    I don’t see how anyone can say it AA should have an immediate rematch. I personally don’t see the point. It would bring no bearing to rankings or professionalism in the sport. I mean, if the assumed second best fighter were allowed to keep challenging the champion of a division, just so everyone would feel right when the number 2 guy knocks out the number 1 guy it would ruin the excitement. If affliction had a deeper divisions AA should have to work his way back up. Liddel was working his way back up before he got knocked out, Florian lost to Sherk a long time ago and has worked his way back up to title contender. I don’t know if anything can be considered a lucky punch. If Fedor threw a lucky punch, were all of AA’s punches unlucky? No, they were just punches. They were faster, lighter jabs. Fedor’s ownership of the WAMMA belt can be attributed to his shot at that moment. I think he deserved to win.

  • Dr.Stoppage says:

    Shame on you Fedor,for ending the fight like that.
    Now we’ll never know if AA could’ve beat you.

  • perfecto says:

    -BigDave you broke that down well. Except for the “perfect timing” of Fedors punch. He didnt really KNOW what was going to happen all he knew is that Arlovski was coming in and he needed to do something so he blindly flurried and happend to knock the shit out of Arlovski. I too would like to see a rematch.

    -Fedor is not the best, he is good and maybe could become the best but he does need to fight a few more guys out there. He has a good record though.

    -Oh yeah machida sucks and gonzaga hasnt beat anyone to be considered top competition.

  • Jez says:

    fedor said in the pre fight interview that he wanted to capitalise on a mistake by arlovski and that what he did. people dont give fedor enough credit cos they are only into ufc. anderson silva is a great stand up fighter but he has shown some weaknesses on the ground. henderson was beating him until he got rockes in the 2nd. Arlovski was probably winning that 1st round but i wouldn’t say he was dominating. He landed some good shots but nothing really rocked fedor, all it really did was prove that Fedor has a great chin. Its good that a former Pride champ finally lives up to the hype and hasn’t yet been knocked out. Once he beats Barnett he should retire cos he wont have anything left to prove.

  • Axl Rose says:

    Anyway, we’ve all gone on and on here about it. Most of us loved both Andrei and Fedor. They are both great fighters and that’s it! Fedor just happens to be the Michael jordan of the sport.

    Now let’s get it together people, we gotta focus on GSP and BJ Pen!!
    Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
    Goooooooooooooooooooooooood times!!!!

    A.W.R.

  • hindsightufuk says:

    fuck going on about fedor and arlovski, i wanna see babalu and noguera go at it!
    LHW title fight right there

  • Rich S. says:

    I just watched an interview with AA backstage, where he said he had no idea where the thought to do a flying knee came from, but he just did it and paid for it.. he said it would NEVER happen again..

    He said his gameplan was just to keep throwing straight punches and eventually he would hurt him, but he strayed from the gameplan and lost, and again, said it wouldn’t happen again..

    so a rematch WOULD be different, win or lose, that’s for sure..

    but for now i’m interested in:

    Burnett/Fedor

    Buentello/Fedor

    AA/Buentello 2 would be nice, seeing as how Paul only got 15 sec to showcase last time around

    and AA/Sylvia 4, only because i know AA would win this time

  • Richard Stabone says:

    Fedor has set the bar so high that all we’re really left to do is pick apart his wins. Yeah he faced a very game opponent in AA and knocked him out cold…BUT blah blah blah. It’s pretty silly.

    Obviously Arlovski was controlling things for the better part of the 1st round last night, demonstrating his more polished overall standup boxing/striking, but it never *felt* like Fedor was in trouble. A previous poster mentioned the Henderson/Silva bout (the last really legit opponent Anderson has faced)… and in somewhat similar fashion there, Henderson controlled the 1st round of that matchup, demonstrating that his wrestling skills were superior to Silva’s, but it ultimately left him with the same result Andre got last – a decisive loser to the more celebrated fighter.

    No fighter out there has a flawless game, whether we’re talking Fedor, Silva, GSP or anybody else. So if someone *wants* to find a flaw in any of these guys, it’s certainly possible. And we can go back and forth that way all day. But with Fedor, the record truly speaks for itself. We’d all like to see him in the UFC facing the best they’ve got to offer, but just cuz he didn’t cave to Dana’s demands to lay down for him shouldn’t open the door for some of the silly criticism offered up by Dana and his followers. I’ve picked Brock to win every fight he’s been in thus far, but if Brock and Fedor somehow faced off in the near future I wouldn’t hesitate to put my $$ on Fedor. To really appreciate Fedor you’ve got to understand the total package he brings to the ring/cage… from the vast experience, to the cool demeanor and seemingly unflappable mentality he brings, to the very very effective all-around MMA skills he possesses to stop his opponents in a variety of ways. Dude’s toolbox is loaded. He’s just unmatched based on what I’ve seen to this point. That’s in reference to the heavyweight division… the P4P discussion is fun but no way to reach a definitive conclusion there. Of all the popular names thrown around, I have the hardest time finding flaws with GSP’s game.

  • Tyler says:

    Whether you’re a fan of Fedor or not it was a huge finish. Also it seems to me that Fedor is a new fighter to a lot of fans which is unfortunate. He should be recognized worldwide. Whether you’re a old or new fan of mma.

  • 5percentbodyfat says:

    Oh I’m sorry “Big” Dave you’re right, Fedor never claimed to be the best, its people like you and Fedorites who put him on a high pedestal, when he doesn’t fight in the world’s toughest MMA organziation with the world’s dumbest commish. Although there are a lot of things that I don’t like about Dana White (see what he did to John Fitch) I still respect him for what he has done for MMA in the U.S.

    And guess what? For all the talk about UFC having the best fighters in the world, being better than Pride, Dana was right. Its true, Pride was some big conjured up scheme to highlight particular superstars and give them favoritism in the fights and earn more dough……on that note.

    I understand you’re upset because you took the time to write up you’re analysis of the fight, and to correct everyone followed by basically calling anyone stupid who disagreed with you.

    Well guess what, I disagreed with you, showed you where you were absolutely wrong, and now you’re upset. In you’re defense you did the classic, “you took it out of context” excuse for saying “Then beliving that he had Fedor hurt he threw a telegraphed flying knee that Fedor was able to time and threw a perfectly placed punch which was right on the button Knocking Arlovski out.”

    Yes Big Dave just said that a guy with his head down, getting pummeled decided to throw a looping overhead punch to a guy that he for some reason knew was going to throw a flying knee. That was you’re interpretation of the conclusion of that fight. Completely in context !!! Stop whining because I called you out on wrote you wrote….oh by the way, just because I pick Lesnar over Fedor doesn’t say that I am a UFC guy, this that the other, it says I see a big dude who boxes, clobbering a guy who literally got outboxed for a good couple of minutes.

  • 5percentbodyfat says:

    @Richard Stabone

    hey man, I was the poster who wrote about Henderson/Silva, I really didn’t mean Anderson Silva, I meant Wanderlei Silva, where Hendo threw the spinning backfist, to catch Wand off guard.

    You just have to be creative. Admittely Hendo lost the fight with Anderson Silva but there is almost no doubt that he won the first round with the wrestling, who knew Anderson Silva was just measuring him for distance the whole first round, and would tee off on him in the 2nd, lol.

  • Tyler says:

    5percentbodyfat
    Why even post your non sense?
    Are you getting paid or what?

  • Richard Stabone says:

    Like I just mentioned, Fedor’s record speaks for itself. I guess he’s just a very fortunate dude that the COMPLETE RANDOMNESS of fighting has always fallen in his favor, with the exception of the glancing elbow years ago in a fight that ended prematurely. Lucky guy, that Fedor.

  • Richard Stabone says:

    Re: the Hendo/Anderson Silva fight, I was referencing the post by “Jez.”

  • 5percentbodyfat says:

    No one is saying that his entire record is made up of COMPLETE RANDOMNESS, but what could be said about this fight is simply that it was random. Ever seen, Hughes vs. Netwon? Take a look at many UFC fights sometime before striking became technical and you will see that many fights were completely random.

    And that is what I said, and if you’re referring to what I said earlier about Complete Randomness, then yes that is taking the phrase “Complete Randomness” out of context.

  • Richard Stabone says:

    I just don’t buy the notion that Fedor “escaped” last night with a random shot, any more than I feel Anderson Silva escaped Hendo after Silva started slow in the 1st of a 5 round fight. Granted, I was surprised to see AA as effective as he was early on last night too, but I think quite a few people are taking that and running completely wild with it.

    Fedor has never been truly stopped in his professional career, and he knocked Arlovski out cold last night in the 1st round, yet reading some of these comments you’d think Fedor owed us an apology for his performance last night. Or that because he didn’t dominate in all facets right from the start last night, now all of a sudden Brock Lesnar will take him.

    A key component of Anderson Silva’s game is exposed against Hendo, and you chalk it up to Anderson just feeling things out… but when Arlovski shows some slick boxing against Fedor (before being knocked cold), all of a sudden the foundation of Fedor’s legacy is beginning to crumble. I don’t get it.

  • 5percentbodyfat says:

    Actually I believed before this fight, and even editors at this own blog have presented lists of people who can beat Fedor, and Brock was on that list. Simply because Brock is a big dude wearing 4xl gloves, who can literally knock you down with a glancing blow.

    Do I think Fedor owe’s us an apology? Nah, Anderson Silva owed his fans an apology for his fight against Cote, and he did apologize.

    BTW Silva’s performance, a complete dominate second round from the opening bell where he is just littering Hendo’s face with punches, then takes him down to choke him out, can’t be compared to this one hit by Fedor. To even compare the two is upsurd.It is true that a fighter can’t be completely dominate or needs to be dominate in order to win. Its just that sometimes and in this case all it takes is one random shot. Like this one. Does it take away from Fedor’s legacy, nope.

    But does anyone who watched last night’s fight, have the right to say Fedor can be beat by (put in a reasonable opponents name here). Sure. I think in every fighter’s career there is a fight where you can look back on and say either “that was the end of him” or “that’s when he became beatable” and that was this fight.
    See: Tito vs. Randy

  • VENOM says:

    Can we all at least agree that Fedot is 29 – 1? OK, good! :-)

  • VENOM says:

    Can we all at least agree that Fedor is 29 – 1? OK, good! :-)

  • Bradical says:

    Rich.S. . . . .Couldn’t agree w/u more on the AA vs. Sylvia part 4. Since his come back after the last loss to Sylvia, AA has been dominant, fierce, brutal & much more highly skilled then ever before. His stand up & boxing is one of the best, if not the best, in the HW division. I think AA would tear apart Tim Sylvia just out of rage for the s–t talking Tim does about him, not to mention the rumor of him bangin’ AA’s ex Playboy g/f either. However, this is AA’s last fight in the 3 fight deal that he had w/Affliction. So now, the question is: “Where does AA go?” I wanna hear some feedback & opinions on that. Does he try a stint in pro-boxing like he & trainer Freddie Roach have rumored doing? Does he re-sign w/Affliction? Or does he go back to the UFC w/the rest of the best? Dana White has said one of the biggest regrets he made was allowing AA to leave w/o really trying to work w/him to get him to stay…Dana also said AA is always welcome back w/arms wide open. So the door is always open w/the UFC. So whatcha all thinking?

  • Dr.Stoppage says:

    “Can we all at least agree that Fedor is 29 – 1? OK, good!”

    VENOM- No we can’t.29 – 1 on paper,yes.
    But if that fight was not in a tournament it would’ve been ruled a no contest..
    Okay okay…how about 29 – 1* ?

  • Dr.Stoppage says:

    Richard Stabone on January 25th, 2009 9:03 pm –
    ” Fedor has set the bar so high that all we’re really left to do is pick apart his wins.”

    Best quote on this thread

  • Dr.Stoppage says:

    “Where does AA go?”

    Boxing with Golden Boy Productions for a couple of fights.

    Sure his boxing looked good against a non-boxer, so let’s see how he’d do against real boxers.
    Hell,I’d start watching boxing if AA was involved.

  • Grappo says:

    All these people saying Arlovski was winning up until he got KTFO, and that the fight would have gone differently if he hadn’t thrown the knee… Yes he was getting the better of the striking in the first couple of minutes of the FIRST round, yeah. Until the first punch that Fedor landed cleanly shut off AA’s lights. Do you really doubt that Fedor would have landed a KO punch at some point even if AA hadn’t thrown that knee? Or that Fedor wouldn’t have gotten AA to the ground and schooled him? Do you really think Fedor would just continue to get picked apart for 4 more rounds, or get KO’ed by AA? Then you really know very little about the man and his intelligence and abilities, or are just too biased to admit the truth. Props to Arlovski for taking it to Fedor, but the conclusion to this fight was pretty much foregone. This is MMA. Everybody gets hit. Fedor’s stock didn’t go down just because he took a couple of shots.

    “random punch” my hairy ass. Fedor is known for his accuracy and timing. Comparing his KO of Arlovski to wild swinging in a street fight is asinine.

  • DamonO says:

    KTru on January 25th, 2009 12:01 pm said:

    “You guys that think you know all that there is about the sport , really do look too much into things. I do not blame you, its another glaring issue with the pussification of America.
    As for the AA supporters, instead of admitting Fedor’s brilliance, you bash him for the competition he has in front on him.
    The UFC has tried to get Fedor, and has failed because the guy does not want to be held down for one organization. Blame him for doing what he wants to do.
    It amazes me how many clowns that come in and use their useless responses and have no clue on what they are talking about and share their stupid opinions.
    This site seems to be a haven for the jackasses that kicked get out of MMA Junkie, MMA Mania, etc…….
    Learn the sport or just shut up. Your opinions show your stupidity.”

    Dude you certainly aren’t helping by calling people jackasses, clowns and stupid. When you read a comment from an uninformed person then politely correct them. It’s really easy. Don’t piss off the guys that are also watching the same shows you are. They’re fans too, just not as educated, yet. Give them some time. Train them. Not everyone in this world gets on here every day like you and I. It’s the veteran MMA fighter’s/fan’s job to inform the new guys and girls getting into the action.

  • Okinawa says:

    People fail to understand a few things:

    1. Fedor said (before the fight) that he was going to wait for AA to make a mistake.

    2. Fedor baited AA in…does “rope-a-dope” sound familiar?

    3. Fedor saw AA make his mistake, get all flashy with his “tiger knee”, and then Fedor proceeded to THTFO.

    Game over.

  • DamonO says:

    ” Fedor has set the bar so high that all we’re really left to do is pick apart his wins.”

    Well said. I like Arlovski a lot but Fedor has won me over. He beat yet another former UFC champion.

    I’m a UFC nuthugger but good lord people when is enough enough? Who would Fedor beat in the UFC right now? There may be some good people for him to fight but seriously, I don’t think anyone has what it takes to beat him right now. Randy Couture is the closest that I can see. We all know that that fight is getting less and less possible as the months pass by. Couture has 2 more contracted fights with the UFC and you know those are going to get drawn out so there is anticipation from Pay Per View buyers.

    I just don’t know. What I do know is Fedor is now #1 lb for lb. Anderson will be dropped to #2 and when GSP beats Penn he will take the #2 spot from Silva dropping Silva to 3rd.

  • tylerdante69 says:

    From Dana White on 1/29/09 Interview:

    “Arlovski was about to kill Fedor. Then Fedor got lucky. It’s a good thing we did not sign him. Lesnar or Mir would destroy Fedor.”

    I could see the future. LOL

  • Grappo says:

    ^^

    It’s a good thing we know that Dana White is full of cockapoopie when it comes to Fedor. It’s a bad thing that the majority of casual fans do not know that. But, it’s a good thing that the majority of casual fans aren’t reading a Dana White interview.

  • neijia says:

    1. Arlovski was clearly winning. The facts are he threw and landed more, both in % and total count. Fedor clinched but could not take Arlovski down. “Damage” is unknown. Up through 3:13 any rational judge would have to give the round to Arlovski.

    2. Of course only one shot mattered after all that.

    3. KO punch was not random. There are some clips and gifs of only the last few seconds floating around on the nets. It’s clear Fedor had taken at least two steps forward by the time Arlovski mistimed his launch – even if Fedor wasn’t throwing, Arlovski’s timing was way off at that point. Apparently he thought Fedor was still lounging on the ropes even though Fedor had walked forward by that point.

    4. Obviously, critical mistake by Arlovski.

    5. Otherwise Arlovski is looking darn good.

    6. Fedor is still the absolute best.

    What’s not clear to me if Fedor really was doing baiting. Btw, “Rope a dope” is not baiting. It was Ali’s stupid way of wearing out Foreman. It is more similar to what Yvel was stupidly doing to Barnett (though I did think Barnett would get tired after 3 rounds).

    What’s also not clear is what might have happened if Arlovski did not make that critical mistake. Obviously hypothetical. I personally think Fedor would’ve found a submission but Arlovski would have continued to land more shots.

    P4P, who cares, but I hope Penn pulls it off against GSP.

  • KTru says:

    You are correct Damon, it just gets overly frustrating to constantly have to defend what I and the educated fan already know. Using “jackasses, clowns, and stupid” lowers my vocabulary, but also relates to the mass that is intended to read.

  • glock says:

    Can somebody tell me how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin??

    while we’re all here arguing I hope some has AA on suicide watch for blowing a potentially great opportunity.

    We’re lucky to have Fedor to watch and I will ALWAYS ponder “what if” he and Randy had met when they should have. I’m not sure I can ever say THE greatest HW because of that question.

  • Jake says:

    HAHA Fedor getting beat by Lesnar??? LOL Thats the funniest shit Ive heard in a while. You guys cant be serious. I mean that was a joke right???

  • Richard Stabone says:

    I certainly respect Randy and the kind of career he put together, but I’ve never understood the stratospheric hype surrounding the guy. He hasn’t won more than 2 consecutive fights during the past 7+ years.

    Randy had gotten steamrolled by Lidell for the 2nd straight time, and it looked like he was done. At that point he was a fan favorite but I don’t think anyone thought of him as an all-time great, or at least not on the same level as a Fedor.

    But then what happened in his next fight seemed to send his star soaring… when he handily won a decision over Tim Sylvia. It was a very nice win, it happened on the big stage of the UFC, and it got him the shiny HW belt back. So people went apeshit.

    Obviously the contract dispute kept him away for awhile, but since that Sylvia win he’s had just two fights… beating a solid-but-unspectacular Gabe Gonzaga, then losing to Brock. Meanwhile, Sylvia fought again during that time and was absolutely demolished by Fedor, only to be scoffed at by Dana and others. So Randy beats Sylvia and all of a sudden he’s a god of MMA, but when Fedor runs over Syliva he’s once again accused of beating up cans. Interesting.

    Anyway, the point of my rambling is that while a Randy-Fedor matchup would’ve been fun to see, I personally can’t justify putting Randy on the same level as Fedor based on what each guy has actually *done* during their respective careers, and I would’ve expected Fedor to do what he’s always done — win.

  • perfecto says:

    Randy has always been fighting the top guy who is supposed to be unbeatable or fighting for the belt or to defend it against the top comp. out there. Thats what makes him great.

    Can he beat Fedor? I think he has a chance just like Fedor has the chance to beat him.

    It would be better than Barnett/Fedor at least Fedor would be fighting a more worthy opponent.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    “So Randy beats Sylvia and all of a sudden he’s a god of MMA, but when Fedor runs over Syliva he’s once again accused of beating up cans. Interesting.”

    Fedors not 45 years old. Fedor is 32. Its far more impressive for a guy who is 45 to take a year off after a loss, get back into the gym and beat someone 13 years younger, than it is for fedor to beat someone his same age,not to mention as all you fans make sure its known, fedor is gods gift to MMA and cant be beaten by a man of mere flesh and bone. Of course nobody ooohed and aaahhhed for fedor when he trashed sylvia.

    And its things like these y i cant like fedor.

    VENOM- No we can’t.29 – 1 on paper,yes.
    But if that fight was not in a tournament it would’ve been ruled a no contest..
    Okay okay…how about 29 – 1* ?

    Come on folks, do u really need to continue to whine cause he took a technical loss. It isnt like TK intentionally elbowed him, shit happens, fedor “timed” his counter punch wrong and got clipped by the elbow. you wanna talk shitty losses look at anthony johnson.

    “Do you really doubt that Fedor would have landed a KO punch at some point even if AA hadn’t thrown that knee? Or that Fedor wouldn’t have gotten AA to the ground and schooled him? Do you really think Fedor would just continue to get picked apart for 4 more rounds, or get KO’ed by AA? Then you really know very little about the man and his intelligence and abilities, or are just too biased to admit the truth.”
    -So if i dont believe whoever fedor is facing, despite if they are beating him or no, will undoubtedly get subbed or ko’d by fedor, then im too biased, and dont know about him.

    “why are there so many people wanting to discredit fedor?
    and why does it seem like all the fans posting have just started to watch mma?”
    -Because clearly if i personally dont like fedor then i must have just started watching mma…damnit im a noob.

  • Bradical says:

    Hmmmm. . .I saw the post fight interview w/Andrei. He sounds super bummed. I’m just curious what’s next for him. His contract has been fulfilled & he’s now a free agent. Is it boxing? Affliction or back home to the UFC? I personally think he needs to stay in MMA. Affliction will re-sign I’m sure as they’ll want to see a rematch w/Fedor. I think Andrei is the only competition for Fedor & next time there will be no mistakes. His ground game isn’t all that bad…he’s been working w/2 of the best BJJ coaches in Chicago(both Gracie prodigies). Going to boxing would be a bad career move. Against top tier boxers, Andrei wouldn’t fair even. He needs to stay w/MMA. His paycheck was $1.5M for that fight, making him the highest paid MMA fighter. I know the UFC won’t write those checks, but if Affliction can sustain survival, I’m sure he’ll be back as WAMMA’s next champ.

  • BMO says:

    Some, if not most, of these comments are the dumbest one’s I’ve seen on any board!!

    Firstly, you have guys saying that the UFC has no real heavyweight division and then say that Fedor only fights washed up UFC rejects??? Are you suggesting that Arlovski would get smoked in the UFC as it stands? Would Mir beat Arlovski?? Fedor fought 2 ex-UFC champs and they lasted less than 1 ROUND combined! He fought and beat Noguiera (twice), Cro-Cop, Coleman, and other top notch guys over the past decade, ALL in their prime. How is it that Noguiera is still a top heavyweight in the UFC and Fedor beat him twice years ago when he was in his prime? These ex-UFC guys are chumps?

    Secondly, all the comments about Arlovski winning and Fedor being confused. Do you not think that Fedor knew about Arlovski’s boxing? You really think he was sitting there saying “shit this guy is a pretty good boxer”. He knew the score, he was waiting for a mistake and when it happened it was lights out! It’s called being smart, thinking instead of just throwing wild (which is what some morons suggested above). Random punches, confusion, luck, yeah that’s what makes a guy 29-1 right? Maybe it has to do more with strategy, training, out-thinking, execution you think? Also, I would not be surprised if Fedor appeared to be hurt and confused just to sell it to Arlovski and goad him into a mistake, IT WORKED!! Ali used to play games with opponents and Fedor is no different. You all think that push kick hurt him or maybe he was playing it that way? It didn’t break a rib or even connect that flush, it was an act tht Arlovski bit on, thats why the man is 29-1 (who’s got a record even close?) and the best p4p by FAR!!!

    Lastly, comparing GSP, Penn and even Silva as the best is foolishness!!! I wonder what would happen if Fedor got tagged like GSP did against Serra? EVERYONE would say he’s overrated andwas never the best p4p. What about Silva vs Cote, Silva looked terrible but nobody said he should be dropped down in the rankings. Then you take Fedor who knocks a top 5 heavyweight on a 5 fight win streak out in the first round and people say he was losing the first 3 minutes??? Seems like a little bias going on towards the UFC guys no? GSP looked pretty bad trying to get up when Serra was doing cartwheels in fron of him with his belt, Silva was a joke against cote, yet people can actually say Fedor looked bad and would have lost.

    Anyone that does not agree with me knows nothing about MMA, seriously!

  • glock says:

    ““So Randy beats Sylvia and all of a sudden he’s a god of MMA, but when Fedor runs over Syliva he’s once again accused of beating up cans. Interesting.”

    Fedors not 45 years old. Fedor is 32. Its far more impressive for a guy who is 45 to take a year off after a loss, get back into the gym and beat someone 13 years younger, than it is for fedor to beat someone his same age”

    I totally agree , but the Gonzaga win was an even more amazing a feat. If you consider what he did to CroCop I remember most fans feeling apprehensive for Randy having to face Gabe instead of CC.

    I don’t have any ill feeling for Fedor. I think he’s great. All this horse shit about “if this happened or that happened ” is people liking the sound of their own keyboards.

    The reason the UFC concept started with no time limits, is because the only thing that matters, ULTIMATELY is who wins. so Gracie could be losing for 20 or 30 min
    until he wins. Period.

    Fedor was the better fighter as he has been (at least) 29 times before. If luck ever played a role it plays the same roll for every fighter out there, so you can cancel it out on both sides of the equation.

    My point was ,even at 45 Randy would have been stylistically, the fight I would most wanted to have seen, for me as I’ve said ad nauseum in these forums, my “Ali vs. Marciano ” the small window for Randy/Fedor was shut by Zuffa and that’s water under the bridge now. We’ll never know, so i can never say with confidence who’s the best.
    Any Fedor detractors need to watch his fights. That he ever walked again after the Randleman suplex is amazing enough, but he kept his composure and almost broke Kevin arm to win pretty quickly. THAT is a bad man.

  • EamonJGod says:

    As for the Randy Vs. Fedor arguement I think I’d give an edge to Fedor but definitely be rooting for Randy. The man is a Legend, and so is Fedor and if Randy were to take him out, unlikely as I think it’d be, it would double his legendary status. I root for underdogs to, like when Randy fought Lesnar, most people thought Brock was going to dominate completely, I had picked Randy to win. While he didn’t win, he still did better then any other opponent Brock has faced, you can even argue he did better then Mir, who beat he.
    Now If Brock and Fedor were to fight, I would root for Fedor. Brock is a freakishly large man, and his talent is growing with each fight. I pretty sure Mir well get walked on in the rematch and after that who is there left to compete with Lesnar in UFC? Cup Cheick Kongo? Dead in two minutes. Right now Dana should be trying he ass off to get a Lesnar/Fedor match up, it would be the best fight possible right now. IMO Fedor is the only hope of taking Lesnar out, and it would be the hardest fight he ever had. Fedor is comfortable with big strong guys, and has an effing amazing chin (Watch Fedor vs. Fujita) and deceptive striking. IT would be amazing to watch that fight.

  • Grappo says:

    @ NJMMAFAN
    “-So if i dont believe whoever fedor is facing, despite if they are beating him or no, will undoubtedly get subbed or ko’d by fedor, then im too biased, and dont know about him.”

    I didn’t say “whoever” I was speaking of Arlovski. Fedor is the best in the world imo, but yes, he will eventually lose if he continues to fight. It just wasn’t to be in that match-up. The point was, if you thought Fedor was just going to let it continue like it did in the first couple of minutes of the first round and not adapt his strategy, land a power shot, or score a takedown, then yes you are biased or have no idea of what the man is capable of. As I said in another post, the first punch that Fedor landed cleanly KO’ed AA. Flying knee or not, it was inevitable.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    I love Randy, and i cant stand all of the fedor lore, and mostly his fans, but Randy wouldnt pose much threat to fedor, i think the most legit matchup the UFC has is clearly brock.

    I wouldnt say randy did the best of everyone against brock. Herring lost in a UD, which id say is doing better than getting TKO’d, and Mir beating brock is clearly the best someone has done against brock. Granted herring and mir started out the same pretty much, and it took a slick sub for mir to win.

    And i doubt we will see fedor ever fight in the ufc. Dana doesnt need him and he doesnt currently need dana. I think fedor will have a few more fights then retire.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    Ok here it is, if you are a Fedor fan, and you tell me one more time there was no way AA was going to win, and how you knew it all along, and you didnt win AT LEAST $50,000, then you are lying to yourself and to me, and you are taking advantage of the fact the fight is already over and you have a chance to sound smart. If you all knew fedor was definately going to win, then why arent you guys drivin your new BMW you won with the money you won off your sure pick?

  • EamonJGod says:

    I know on paper other people did better, and Mir beat him, but I feel Randy neutralized a lot of the threat that is Lesnar pretty well throught out the fight, there’s just not much of a way to get past that guys power.
    Now I’m not a gambling man, and it’s not the appeal of the sport to me, but if I was going to place a bet in that fight it would have been one for Fedor. That doesn’t mean I thought Fedor was DEFINITELY going to win, just most likely.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    i figured that would be the kind of answer id get “i dont bet on sports but if i did id have bet fedor.” It doesnt matter if you are a gambler or not if this was such a sure pick for fedor fans they all would have made money off of it, unless they are lying when they said theres no way AA is going to win, cause if they felt that way theyd have bet

  • Grappo says:

    “Ok here it is, if you are a Fedor fan, and you tell me one more time there was no way AA was going to win, and how you knew it all along, and you didnt win AT LEAST $50,000, then you are lying to yourself and to me, and you are taking advantage of the fact the fight is already over and you have a chance to sound smart. If you all knew fedor was definately going to win, then why arent you guys drivin your new BMW you won with the money you won off your sure pick?”

    Because I’m not a gambler, know absolutely nothing about betting, and have no desire to do so. Though if I were a degenerate gambler, I’d imagine that the Fedor fight was the closest to a sure thing you can get without fixing a fight.

    Just curious, those who do bet on these events – How much money would it have taken to win $50,000 on Fedor?

  • Grappo says:

    So we have to win money on a fight or else our opinions are full of sh*t? How about, some people just don’t gamble.

    If that’s the way you really see things, I’d bet money that you have a tenuous grip on reality. No I wouldn’t, because I don’t gamble.

  • neijia says:

    @glock: All this horse shit about “if this happened or that happened ” is people liking the sound of their own keyboards.

    That was the truest statement ever made in the comments.

    Re: the debate on Randy and Fedor, some other facts:

    – Randy’s record: 16-9.
    – Fedor’s 29-1.
    – 20 out of the 29 wins were in ROUND ONE
    – 2 more were submissions within 1:15 of round two.
    – the remainder were all UNANIMOUS decisions.

    Cheap opinions:
    Fedor is clearly the best ever. However, without Arlovski’s critical error, KO by Fedor was not a foregone conclusion. Arlovski showed Fedor is “human” more than before. Imho, Arlovski was the first fighter Fedor has fought who was bigger, stronger AND faster. Every other opponent had only 2 out of the 3.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    no your opinions are not full of shit. They become full of shit when people start with the whole ” I knew the whole time there was no way fedor could lose this fight blah blah blah.” Cause then you are in fact full of shit as fedors fans you should know the funny ways you can take a loss. I dont dislike fedor as a person or as a fighter, i respect his talent and track record. I dislike the fans that pretend he is infallable, and that was what that post was geared towards. you would have to risk 325 dollars in order to win 100 on fedor so do the math on that. Youd basically have lost almost 2 million for betting 5k on fedor if he lost.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    PS fedor wasnt the highest favored fighter either barnett was -650

  • Grappo says:

    All of this is people liking the sound of their own keyboards, including the person who made that observation. Let’s not kid ourselves by limiting it to one group of people.

    Worthless opinions since I didn’t bet money:
    Fedor has shown he is human before. He’s been rocked (once) been taken down and mounted, slammed, suplexed, beaten to the punch, and had subs thrown at him. But in this fight, just as in the others, he persevered. For Arlovski to have won, he would have needed to be more than bigger, stronger and faster. He needed an IRON chin, as well as superior grappling, submission and GNP defense. The fact that throwing one flying knee amounts to a “critical error” tells me a lot about how this fight probably would’ve gone had that knee never been thrown. I don’t like to deal with unknowns, but this doesn’t seem like that much of an unknown for some reason.

  • perfecto says:

    I agree EamonJGod Randy did neutralize Brock just like Arlovski did Fedor until they both got caught. Thats the shitty thing about a one punch knock out it leaves alot of what ifs. But it opens a door for a rematch.

  • Grappo says:

    “Cause then you are in fact full of shit as fedors fans you should know the funny ways you can take a loss.”

    One of the reasons I don’t bet. My fighter sprains his ankle and loses the fight and I’m out a ridiculous amount of money.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    exactly grappo. Exactly the reason i would never say something as if i know it to be a fact when it comes to a fight. That is merely the point i want to make. I am annoyed that some of the fans wont admit there is any way someone would beat fedor. If you tell me Brock has NO chance of winning, then you are being pretentious. However if you say i believe fedor can outlast brock or counter his strength and beat him, that is different, and respectable. Anyone who said they knew fedor was going to win was lying. they were right, he won, but they didnt KNOW it was gonna happen, he could have suffered a heart attack upon the opening bell, but then again if he survived it thered be people saying he defeated his own heart by perfect timing and countering, or an armbar.

  • ymod says:

    i think some people criticising fedor does not know about martial arts at all
    main purpose of this is to protect yourself and exploit opponnent weakness
    thats what fedor did , why would the fedor go to ufc just to prove himself
    ufc champions should come to him….. he already proves that he can beat UFC champions.

  • Voridor says:

    Fedor is the best pound 4 pound fighter in the world. His record, the people he has faced, and the way he finished them all prove this his peak has surpassed Anderson Silva. Silva is not fighting the best, George is currently fighting one of the best fighters this Saturday. I don’t understand how people can say Silva is better when YOU LOOK AT THE STATS and record. If Silva wanted to be the best, he would fight the best. Its as simple as that! Case closed!

  • Eric V says:

    fedor is the best pound for pound as you have to consider who Anderson Silva is now fighting. Except for Dan Henderson and Rich Franklin, the UFC’s MW division is not very stacked with top 10 fighters. Whereas Fedor just beat the #4 and #2 ranked fighters in the HW division in convincing fashion…and both under 5 mins in all.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    While this isnt a bash…fedor hasnt beaten a current ufc champ yet…Challenge!?!?

    And i have never been a fan of/understood the phrase “pound for pound”. GSP V Penn should have no bearing on p4p rankings because its not pound for pound, its GSPs weight class….P4P sounds to me like open weight competition…Royce Gracie in the early UFC was P4P best cause he beat guys who were outside his weightclass. Id take Brock or Fedor by murderdeathkill over GSP or Penn if that were the case…
    Someone please briefly explain…

  • indika says:

    fedor just beat the no 4 and next in line no 2 barnnett. fedor is the best. brock lost to mir . shame. even mir in an interview said fedor will beat him but will destroy brock . please google it and find out more on this. fedor the best p4p period.

  • millroots says:

    for what i’m about to say i could care less whether i am banned or booted or w/e
    5%body fat, shut up. cause you argue like a needy highschool fat kid. and the word is “dominant” just so you know.

    now on to the fight.

    while fedor visually looked concerned, nervous, scared, worried w/e you want to call it, you never know what is going on in a fighters mind. people play hurt, and then strike. In my opinion, fedor seems to be the best mental fighter in mma today. He doesn’t panic, and he didn’t against arlovski’s quicker jabs. AA however, was not dominating anything. I did not see fedor go down, i did not see him hurt i saw him knock AA out.

    Another “w” in fedor’s record, and to be honest, for those who discredit Fedor for fighting poor quality opponents, go on you tube and watch anderson silva get submitted, or GSP submitted, go and try and find fedor ever really losing a match. not going to happen. i am not saying fedor is the best (im canadian and a huge gsp fan) but the fact remains is that he is essentially unbeaten, while all others have lost.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    People do play hurt but fedor wasnt pulling a scott smith, he was confused and losing…He made up for it though.

    And indika, can you please post a video to Fedor beating Barnett? No? Oh the fight hasnt occurred, yet you have already given fedor a W vs barnett? typical fedor fan statement, and exactly the reason i get angry at this stuff…Yes Mir beat Brock…a lot of good that did him seeing as though Brock has the hardware…And according to your logic, with Mir saying fedor would beat him, but kill brock…Fedor said in an interview he wasnt the best in the world…so i guess thats gospel now all the sudden and we dont need to include him in P4P discussion? As for him beating Barnett…I would take Fedor winning that fight…that being said, i would not put a w on his record until they raise his hand, because for all i know Barnett throws one punch and fluffs fedors pillow…nobody is going to know till they fight.

  • NJMMAFAN says:

    EDIT*-Perhaps saying Fedor was confused is improper…the word i was looking for was surprised.

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