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Rampage: Beating Shogun doesn’t matter

Forrest Griffin defeated the last man to beat the UFC light heavyweight champion Quinton “Rampage” Jackson. Not only did Griffin win, but he dominated Mauricio “Shogun” Rua for nearly three rounds. The win earned Griffin the upcoming title shot against Jackson.

Jackson, however, doesn’t care that Griffin beat the man who was widely regarded as the top light heavyweight in the world going in. Oh and as we all know, Shogun is also the last man to defeat Jackson – doing so in less than five minutes. Jackson doesn’t think that was the real Shogun that Forrest faced.

Shogun wasn’t the same. If I watch that fight and try to go off that fight. I’d be misled because Shogun wasn’t 100 percent,” Jackson said, “Heck, Shogun’s girlfriend could have beat him that night.”

Interesting take on the fight – especially since Shogun hasn’t fought since and has undergone multiple knee surgeries. Why did Shogun take the fight if he was so banged up going in? Will Shogun be able to come back? Hopefully, we’ll find out in the fall – since Shogun is due to come back in September or (more likely) October.

To listen to the rest of the interview I recently did with Rampage, please click here.

  • THORAZINE says:

    Forrest showed a lot of focus by not letting that comment get to him, even though it prob did a little. IForrest is ready and realistic about this fight,,, he’ll do much better than most Ramage fans think! I think Forrest really beat Shogun because of his cage experience, size advantage and preperation. He’s 1 guy that knows how to rise to the occasion. (exception Jardine).

  • DPK says:

    It shouldn’t matter to Rampage, but it has to help Forrest confidence a ton. Not to mention that Forrest is training with a guy in Wandy who owns two knockouts over his opponent.

  • Juelz says:

    It’s true what Rampage says and if you ever saw Shogun before that fight you wouldn’t have recognized him at all.
    He was clearly out of shape and even gased in the first round, Forrest did beat him though.
    Rampage will be to strong for Forrest and the only area he is weaker in is his groundgame although he has pretty good takedown defence as shown against Dan Henderson who is a worldclass wrestler.
    The only way i can see Rampage lose is if he is taken to the ground and submitted and that is unlikely.
    Rampage will win by T.KO in round 2 or 3.

  • Jackyl says:

    Please not that old song and dance again making excuses for Shogun. His knee was hurt, he got married, he was out of shape. None of those are legitimate excuses. I know all you Pride nuthuggers just can’t take it that a TUF alumni beat your boy. Knee hurt, fighters fight with injuries all the time. If it’s going to lose you a fight you are better off pulling out. Plus he seemed to be walking around fine to me. Didn’t seem to have a problem GOING for the takedown, just getting the takedown. He got married, BFD. He was out of shape: This is the worst excuse of all. What do you mean he was out of shape? He comes in to his UFC debut touted as the best LHW in the world and he is not in shape? Come on. Let’s not forget his horrible strategy. Go for single leg, get stuffed, turtle, roll to your back, repeat. That is what Shogun did the entire time and it was the wrong game plan. To win a fight you have to come in with the right game plan, be prepared, and be in shape. Forrest was all of those things that night and that’s why he won. Now the fight with Rampage has him in a similar situation and I tell you this. Rampage better bring the A game and not screw around. Finish him quick and get out of there. Otherwise there will be a lot of crow eaten the next day.

  • mike wolfe says:

    By coincidence I watched the Griffin/Shogun fight last night on DVR. I couldn’t tell that Shogun had a bum knee. He took Griffin down several times, but Griffin was able to fight his way back up. Griffin used his jab well and was the better striker that evening. Both of them were visibly tired at the end of the second. Griffin had more gas in his tank at the end of the third and was able to lock in the RNC in the last few seconds. Without the submission Griffin probably would have won, but it was pretty close, and easily could’ve been a split decision.

    Maybe Shogun didn’t have his A game, but only because of conditioning, and that’s not a legit excuse imo. Every athlete has to train adequately to perform at the highest possible level, and failing to do so doesn’t diminish another competitor’s win.

    If Rampage has maintained the discipline he’s shown since coming into the UFC, he’ll be a tough opponent for Griffin. But Griffin trains hard, has a legendary chin, and has shown the ability to adapt to an opponent. If he is methodical and patient like he was with Shogun, I think he has a chance.

  • ttt says:

    shogun did have a pretty shit performance and there are no excuses. but that doesn’t address rampage’s point that the shogun he fought was probably better.

    “But Griffin trains hard, has a legendary chin”
    really? i think keith jardine would have something to say about that

  • Mike Wolfe says:

    #6 ttt

    I doubt Jardine would have much to say about Griffin’s chin given his fights with Wanderlai and Alexander Houston.

  • Josh says:

    I was at that fight. Shogun was definitely injured. He took the fight, because you’re not going to turn down your first fight in the UFC no matter what. He’d look like a punk if he did. He was flabby as hell to. Not due to laziness, but due to a blown out knee. I like Forrest, but number #1 contender, come on. Look at his last five fights, beat an injured Shogun, got taken the distance by Ramirez (who’s a middle weight by the way, and a shtty one at that, got smashed by Jardine, beat Bonnar, and lost to Tito. He’s not #1 contender talent wise. Marketing wise, maybe, but personnaly I’d much rather see Silva/Rampage 3.

  • Bad Monkey says:

    Fuck the haters. War Forrest!!!!!!

  • David says:

    didn’t Rampage say that stuff in the opening episode of this season of TUF, or in the crowd at the UFC the saturday before?

  • FRANKIE says:

    “Not only did Griffin win, but he dominated Mauricio “Shogun” Rua for nearly three rounds.”

    That is an utterly ridiculous statement.

  • ttt says:

    Mike Wolfe: “I doubt Jardine would have much to say about Griffin’s chin given his fights with Wanderlai and Alexander Houston.”
    we’re talking about Forrest’s chin (not Keith’s) and it was brutally exposed by Jardine, it definitely is not Legendary.

    the most Legendary Chins imo are Big Nog and Mark Hunts, but that’s a different argument.

  • Mike Wolfe says:


    “Brutally exposed?” Meaning that all the punishment Griffin took in previous fights was fakery? Lighting and camera tricks? Throttle back on the hyperbole.

  • ttt says:

    hyperbole? i’m not the one who said he had a “Legendary” chin

  • Mike Wolfe says:


    What does that have to do with “brutally exposed” and whether that’s hyperbole?

  • Jackyl says:

    Not only did Griffin win, but he dominated Mauricio “Shogun” Rua for nearly three rounds.”

    That is an utterly ridiculous statement.

    Dude. Watch the fight again. Shogun got his ass whipped and tapped with less than 20 seconds left. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

  • revjames13 says:

    As far as Forrest’s chin goes, I wouldn’t say it was good or bad. He’s got a lot of guts and came keep coming forward when he’s tagged, but we have no idea how he’ll fare against guys that hit really hard (Rampage, Liddell, Wandy). He went down against Jardine. That could be more of a fluke than par for the course but we’ll have to see. He’d be crazy to trade with Rampage, who will KO him if he does. But Forrest is very smart, he’ll stay away from brawling with him.

    Forrest is solid enough not to be called chinny (like no one would tag GSP that even though Serra caught him) but I wouldn’t dream of calling his chin legendary. You can’t go from suspect to legendary unless you take an Ali like beating vs. Foreman and then come back for the win.

    Hell, maybe Forrest will do that. Or maybe he’ll get dropped like a sack of potatoes.

  • Nate says:

    “Heck, Shogun’s girlfriend could have beat him that night.”

  • PokerFace says:

    Have any of you doubters even seen Shogun fight? He was DEFINATELY not himself, and there are no excuses as to why, but he wasn’t just the same. He is much more vicious and explosive than in that fight with Forrest gump.

  • double A-ron says:

    love the disagreements, this should make for a good match and can’t wait for the fight. That’s the only way to settle the arguments. In this sport anyone can win, thats why they fight.

  • Phil says:

    Its funny how many people have obviously never seen Shogun fight before he was clearly in horrible shape and gassed after 3 mins. ‘A blown out knee is no excuse’ lol having your knee ligaments torn to shreds is just about the best excuse there is for fighting like crap, how exactly was Shogun supposed to train for that fight? I don’t care what anyone says Shogun was clearly less than 70% fit for that fight and honestly given the injuries he’s picked up he may never be close to 100% again! Forrest is a good fighter and I like him but the Shogun of 3 years ago would’ve kicked his ass!

  • neijia says:

    if shogun has peaked and lost his career due to a knee, that’s too bad. that really doesn’t change the validity of rampage’s statement. in any case it doesn’t matter. there’s not a transitive property of fighter a beats b, who can therefore beat c. the odds favor rampage for a good reason. i want to see rampage win because he’s both better and more entertaining and griffin is just boring. i don’t see forrest being able to outwrestle if hendo couldn’t, outbox (even forrest admits he doesn’t have the striking power rampage has), or submit rampage so it’s pretty much the odd lucky strike that could swing things to a win for him. perhaps fatigue in the 5th round and a lucky strike.


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