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5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL

Welcome back to another edition of The Duel. This week features two spirited long time rivals in the form of me battling and fiveounces contributor Caleb Newby. Let the battle begin…. and don’t forget to vote for the winner (me).

1. Thiago Alves’ weight had something to do with his win over Matt Hughes.

Huckaby: TRUE. No, no, I’m not saying that’s why he won. Matt Hughes is old, Thiago Alves is young. He’s faster, has much better hands and he handled Matt’s takedown attempts easily. But it probably had SOMETHING to do with it, don’t you think? What if Alves was forced to cut all the way to 170lbs? How dehydrated and weak could he have been coming in? We’ll never know because Alves was allowed to fight big and then hilariously asked for a title shot. Somewhere at home Travis Lutter laughed at Dana White’s reaction. Yeah, I don’t think so Big T. Once you prove to him you can make 170lbs I’m sure you’ll talk but coming in so far over isn’t exactly the right way to get your goal. Come to work on time then ask for the promotion.

Newby: TRUE. What was really cool is how the entire group of us picked Hughes on the UFC 85 Pain Poll. Just wanted to point that out. That being said, of course this is true, especially with such a vague term such as “something.” It’s pretty basic physiology. When you have huge welterweight such as Alves, who has a known history of struggling to make 170, of course it is going to be easier when he doesn’t have to shed that last four pounds. If it’s been that tough for him in the past to make 170, you know it’s been hell on his body (diuretics anyone?) to lose those last few pounds. Was that the difference in the fight versus Hughes? Doubtful, but it should be enough to spare Hughes from a total free fall in the rankings, or a full out catapult of Alves.

2. Leites win over Marquardt should “count” (not meaning the win, just in future fight making, rankings and the like).

Huckaby: FALSE. To clarify, what this means is that Leites did indeed get the W for the fight but for all extensive purposes Nate Marquardt was shown to be the better fighter. Can you really rank Leites above Marquardt after that fight? Can you give him the next big match and drop Marquardt down to fighting TUFers? If they fought again wouldn’t Marquardt open all kinds on Thales yet again? Now I can see the other side, the illegal knee might have taken something away or a win is a win and should always be treated as such. I say no, Thales deserved to win the fight by scoring standards but Nate Marquardt proved to be the better fighter in my mind.

Newby: FALSE. Easy question. And to showcase my reasoning using a different angle than Huckaby, let’s go into the past for a different, though similar, example Nick Diaz’s scored a victory over Gomi at PRIDE 33 last year. Diaz won. I saw it, you saw it, everyone saw it. Then Diaz tests positive for marijuana. Now I put testing positive for marijuana in a much different category than a positive steroid test, yet the failed test led to the fight being ruled a no contest. But really, we all know Diaz won that fight, pot or no. The commission can make whatever ruling they want but Diaz was the better fighter that night. Same principle applies to Leites and Marquardt. Sure, Leites won, though as Huck said (he loves it when you call him that, trust me) Leites won on the scorecards, but Marquardt won that fight.

3. Fabricio Werdum has done enough to earn the next HW title shot after Mir.

Huckaby: TRUE. But that doesn’t mean he’ll get it. No one really wants to see Nog/Werdum II but apparently no one told Fabricio that as he’s went out and TKO’d Gonzaga and Vera back-to-back. To me that earns a title shot. Randy Couture earned a HW title shot by being retired and being Randy Couture. Gabe Gonzaga got one simply for beating Cro Cop. Nog got one just because he was Nog and he beat Heath Herring. Isn’t TKO’ing Gonzaga and Vera in consecutive fights actually MORE than you need to do in a depleted UFC heavyweight division? But the fact is Nogueira and Mir will be off filming TUF and they won’t fight until the end of the year so Werdum will probably have to win one more fight against a top talent that will fall out of the sky magically. Anyway, the question wasn’t if he’ll get the next shot, it was has he earned it. And yes, he has. And is anyone else now mildly intrigued with the idea that the groundgame of Nog/Werdum would be a stalemate but now Werdum apparently has the stronger striking? Does this not add a fun new dimension to the idea of that fight?

Newby: TRUE. This is more about the UFC’s total lack of a heavyweight division than it is anything else. Using my personal heavyweight rankings, let’s see who does deserve a shot over Werdum. Fedor (obviously). Barnett (never gonna happen). Couture (the “current” champion). Sylvia (ok, maybe not deserve a shot but you get the idea). Arlovski. Who from that list does the UFC have under contract? I thought as much. Instead, checking out the UFC’s website we’ll take a look at the highest profile heavyweights they have. Mark Coleman, Gabriel Gonzaga, Heath Herring, Cheick Kongo, Brock Lesnar, and Brandon Vera. Can you even make an argument that out of that group Werdum doesn’t deserve the next crack at the title? No, you can’t. Give that man a title shot. Who cares if Nog/Werdum isn’t the fight people are clamoring for, the man has earned it.

–Since Newby was too scared to disagree with anything I said I guess I’ll have to disagree with everything he says–

4. Michael Bisping will one day hold the 185lb title.

Newby: FALSE. By “the” I assume you mean UFC title. This was a tough one. Curses on you Huckaby for making it open ended like that too. You couldn’t have said “in the next three years” could you? Regardless, as much as I love Bisping, I have to go fiction. Anderson Silva is the king at 185 for as long as he wants to be first off. Silva has made talk that he’d retire in a couple years, which if so, is cause of celebration for all middleweights out there. But we have Silva as division king for at least two more years… someone I don’t see anyone defeating. I’d actually expect the UFC to give Bisping a title fight before then, probably soon, to capitalize on having a name opponent for Silva on a winning streak. After Bisping loses that fight he’s back to treading water with Franklin and the rest waiting for Silva to get bored and move on. And who will be looking to jump once Silva gets bored and moves on? Just Rich Franklin, Nate Marquardt, Yushin Okami, and potentially Dan Henderson and Paulo Filho. That’s a scary line up of top talent, plus who knows what new prospects will tear into the UFC in the next couple years. Look, I love Bisping and think he has tremendous talent and potential at middleweight, but with the line up he has in front of him, having to defeat at least two of these top fighters in a post Silva world to snag the championship, it’s just a bad bet. Sure he has a shot, but faced with the choice of betting on one horse or taking the field, unless your horse is Penn, Silva, GSP, or Fedor, take the field. Good luck Bisping, I’ll happily be proven wrong, but it’s false.

Huckaby: FALSE. DAMMIT it’s not possible here. Of course I meant the UFC you stupid bastard. Your short comings aside, you made solid arguments across the board. Anderson Silva, Anderson Silva and Anderson Silva. If he moves on you have Franklin, Henderson, Okami…. Bisping hasn’t showed any type of ability that would make you put him at that level yet. Yes, a split decision loss to Rashad is impressive but it was still a loss. I can’t make the argument he’ll be a champion based on beating an unemployed guy and a slightly above average guy at the weight class. We all know he lost to Matt Hamill and I think based on a performance like that he’ll have a long career in the UFC as more of a gatekeeper. He’ll continue to main event in England against the Sinosics and Days of the world but I think when they finally pull the trigger and put him in there with a top 10 middleweight he’ll feel the difference and come up short.

5. KJ Noons will retain his title over Yves Edwards on Saturday.

Newby: FALSE. Remember when Edwards was the unofficial UFC lightweight champ? I do, because they told us many, many times. Topsy-turvy as Yves’ has been, his switch to ATT seems to have paid off and done well for him and his jumping knee KO earlier this year was a thing of beauty. Expect Edwards to hang well enough on the feet with Noons and outclass him on the ground. Noon’s isn’t going to submit Edwards and while he certainly could knock him out, Edwards just has more ways to win this. So here’s to thug-jitsu bringing home the EliteXC 160 pound strap. Edwards, submission, round two.

Huckaby: TRUE. NOTE: Newby told me at 1pm he only had one question left to answer he was confused about. 6 hours later Adam Morgan IM’s me with a Newby IM asking who he thought would win Noons/Edwards. BUSTED. Asking for outside help in a DUEL? Truly pathetic Caleb, I mean that’s bottom of the barrel. Luckily this is the answer I was pulling to say anyway. Noons can join Kimbo and Gina as the EXC golden boys, a position I just can’t see Yves filling. Unless they want this strap to be the official Showtime title. The only two arguments for Yves here are ground game and ATT. While I believe ATT to be the top of the line, I can’t pick a guy based on his fight team alone. This leaves the ground game where I’m sure Noons has been training non-stop, both to not go there and what to do when it happens. I think Noons can keep this on the feet and be more technical than thugjitsu standing. Of course now I’m remembering the Charles Bennett fight and I’m starting to cringe a little. Atleast I have some guts.

6. Mayhem Miller’s experience will win out over Jacare’s amazing submission abilities.

Newby: TRUE. Mayhem has been in there with far, far better competition than Jacare. A quick bit of research shows that of Jacare’s 8 wins, a whopping five are against guys who have career 0-1 records. Yes, he submits everybody and it a BJJ wiz kid, but this is the first big time competition for Jacare in MMA and we’ve seen how skilled jiu-jitsu practioners fair in their first step up to tough competition. Thing is, this isn’t just a step up, it’s a giant leap. Miller may act like a clown but he is no joke. Only two losses in the last five years (to Trigg and a decision loss to GSP, which is impressive in and of itself) while compiling 14 wins in that time. So while I typically dislike breakdowns that focus on information you can discover from the fight finder, it’s relevant in this instance. I can assure you that Miller’s typical opponent hasn’t had a 0-1 professional MMA record. As they say, a jiu-jitsu black belt is great, but let’s see how you do while getting punched in the face. Give me Mayhem now. Give Jacare a couple more years and continued seasoning. Then this will be a real pick’em.

Huckaby: FALSE. Thanks for giving us their records Newby! How old is Mayhem? What’s Jacare’s real name? I have no idea where to look for this fundamental information! And I am also a Mayhem Monkey and will be pulling for my guy here but the fact is while Miller has faced better MMA competition he hasn’t faced this level of BJJ competition. How is Miller going to beat Jacare? Knock him out? What, with his amazing kickboxing skills? Oh, he’s going to full mount Jacare and pound it out? Beat him in a decision? Again, with his lesser BJJ game and K-1 level kickboxing? I give you Mayhem’s wrestling and that alone could give him a decision. That alone. Maybe he could knee him in the head alot on the ground. Either way, thank you for giving us information we could find anywhere and true insight. You sir are a professional.

And that does it for this week’s DUEL.  And again if you feel the need please vote for your victor.

Join us next week when two other 5oz contributors will step in and hopefully debate.

  • Caleb Newby says:

    I suppose I should have resorted to name calling too. And unlike PTI, I’m not going to take the opposite side just to disagree.

  • Fujin says:

    What MMA fans who aren’t also grappling/BJJ fans don’t know is Jacare is nothing like your typical BJJ guy. He has amazing takedowns and is extremely aggressive both on top or bottom.

    I’m a Mayhem fan and wished that would could see Saku/Mayhem and possibly Jacare/Mayhem in the semis or finals, but I don’t see Mayhem doing enough to keep Jacare from getting him to the ground. For there, even with Mayhem having good ground skills, it’s over.

  • Ronin says:

    Michael Huckaby you by far write the worst opinion pieces ever.
    How long have you been watching MMA?
    Also Newby should go back to watching the powerpuff girls.

    4 pounds is nothing if Alves was 170 the result would have been the same, Hughes is a one dimensional fighter, stop his takedowns and he zero stand-up and then just pound away standing up.

    Marquardt fought dirty the illegal knee and piledriver but he’s the better fighter, make sense.

    Newby, Jacare’s BJJ is far better than Millers and Jacare should have an easy time submitting Miller.

  • JoHn says:

    #3 ronin, if alves was forced to cut weight even 2 lbs, he would have been far weaker than he was, just from dehydration he would have been worn out and then we would have seen a different fight, he wouldnt have been as strong and effective as he was defending the takedown attempts and could have or (would have) changed the outcome of the fight

  • Andrej says:

    How is Jacare’s Stand up game? Can he strike or is he a one trick poney? just curious since I have heard alot about this fighter but I have never seen him fight.

  • The Legend says:

    Leites win should “count” because Marquardt wasn’t the more impressive fighter until after the illegal knee.

  • bjjdenver says:

    #3, it isn’t the 4 pounds, it is the effect it has to actually get it cut. Unfortunately, the question was about the weight and not the cut.

    #5, I was pleasantly surprised with Jacare’s striking and other things besides bjj. As we know, many top bjj guys fail to adaot their games well, but i think Jacare will prove to be one player that does. I see this a round 2 sub for Souza.

    As for the duel, I gotta side with Huckaby on this one, because I agree with most of his statements, and I know his self worth is tied to the vote results, lol.

  • bjjdenver says:

    sorry, adapt.

  • Lawdawg says:

    Huckaby – I hate to be the grammar police, but under #2 you state “for all extensive purposes,” which means nothing. The phrase you were looking for is “for all intents and purposes.” This is probably the best website for MMA but you guys need to proofread.

  • hutnugger says:

    4 pounds does make a huge difference. Not a big Hughes fan by far but 4 pounds is alot if youre coming down from 190 plus. After the weighin you have an extra jump on consuming mass quantities of calories and adding more weight.

  • Hardcharger says:

    #3 comment is obviously written by someone who has never cut weight before in his life and knows nothing about cutting weight and the effects it has on energy and performance.

    thiago being 4 lbs over is a TON over in terms of cutting weight. He wasn’t even close.

    Thiago’s perhaps too big for WW, as he has never made the real 170 (not 171, but 170) since he got caught cheating. Obviously the guy has problems making that weight, and if he were forced to make it or not fight, he’d either fail, or be so drained his performance would suffer greatly.

  • JoHn says:


  • Caleb Newby says:

    I’m curious if anyone feels differently on the Bisping question. I thought that was the best of the bunch, personally.

  • Hardcharger says:

    I think Bisping could be a champ if Anderson moves up or retires.

    Bisping has impoved tremendously. He’s fast and big at 185. And he comes to fight. People sometimes put too much emphasis on the individual sport credentials that make up MMA (BJJ black belt, NCAA all american wrestler, etc), and not enough on just being a very good MMA fighter. Bisping is very good, and seems to be improving every day.

    It won’t be easy, but he may have a shot.

  • JoHn says:

    #11. no i think yall were right on with what both of you said, as long as you have r franklin, d henderson, n marquart, and y okami (as boring as he is), he is stuck in the lower eschelon of the talent, but i do have a problem with you throwing paula filho in the mix, he almost got his ass handed to him by chael sonnen… i am not discounting sonnen as a great talent, but filho hasnt impressed me his last outings, and on bisping, no i dont think he will ever hold the title or even get a shot for a long time

  • JoHn says:

    let me take back part of my last post, i think he will get a shot sooner or later but, not in the next 2-3 fights, again i do think bisping is a great mma fighter, i just dont think he is top 10 mw fighter yet, maybe top 10 ufc mw

  • Natrix says:

    Once Newby brought back in to my mind, that great day that Takanori Gomi met Nick Diaz across the ring, I knew who was getting my vote. (Although, without the Diaz/Gomi reference, I still think Newby still takes it.)

  • bjjdenver says:

    Need to see a LOT more of Bisping before he holds a title. If he improves and continues, then maybe if Silva is gone.

    But then, we have Franklin, Hendo, Marquardt and many others I would pick in a fight over Bisping. I think McDonald would be a great test of where he is at right now, because his fight the other night was not a true indicator.

  • Davey D says:

    Here’s my take on the questions at hand:

    1) True, 4 pounds is a WORLD of difference in that he weighed at 174 pounds when the limit was clearly 171 lbs. What was Thiago at last Thursday or even at fight time? I will bet the house he weighed more than Matt Hughes did on all three occasions. He defeated Matt fair and square, in their fight. However, he did not make their agreed fighting weight – plain and simple. Thus, IMO, he doesn’t deserve a Title shot until he defeats his next opponent and weighs in no less than 171 lbs the day before said fight.

    2) True. There’s no reason to beat around the bush here. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. I’m not saying I like it because, I feel, Nate would’ve won had he not lost points on two seperate fouls. Even still, Nate also did not get any points taken away when he hit Thales with the vaunted piledriver. Should they fight each again? Yes, however, I’d like to see a lot more on the line if and when they do.

    3) True. But, it won’t happen since Minotaro and Mir are doing TUF 8 as we speak. I would like to see Nog’ vs. Werdum II in the UFC. Their first bout wasn’t really that bad, a little lull but…honestly, it was a long time a go and would just like see what would happen in the Octagon. The cage totally changes the GAME, I don’t care what anyone says about that.

    I would also like to see Fabricio fight one more time for good measure. Against who is hard to say as of now. Only time will tell.

    4) To be continued…

    I have to go now and will try to finish later. Sorry that I can’t complete this now.


  • Andy says:

    I think Alves needs to stop cutting weight, stop being a huge welterweight and just move to middleweight. Lets see him against Bisping, I think that would be a good fight, then maybe he can ask for Anderson Silva in his victory speech.

  • Patrick says:

    Why is the duel this week so bitchy?

  • Vern says:

    They learned it by watching you Patrick.

  • Ronin says:

    Alves would have made weight if he didn’t hurt his ankle and to say he won because he was 4 pounds heavier is laughable.

    All fighters cut weight to make their divisions limit, then soon as they make weight they re-hydrate and eat as much as they want sometimes they enter the cage 10 pounds heavier then what the weighed in at 24 hours ago.
    So to even think fighters weigh the same when they fight is stupid.

  • Chabb says:

    off topic here, i just wanted to say this bLOG kicks every other mma sites ass…. just an fyi…. but i agree with all points except with the statements that Mayhem wont win…. i mean come on Jacre really isnt that impressive….in reality who has he really been to war with?

  • Cobra Kai says:

    I think that Bisping could hold the title someday. But I need to see how he does against Franklin or Henderson first. I love how everyone gushes over Anderson Silva. Yes, he is an awesome fighter. No I don’t see anyone at that weight beating him right now. But how many times have we all said the same things about other fighters. Here is a list of the ones I can think of:

    Rich Franklin (before Silva people said the exact same things about Rich, he will defend his title as long as he wants to)
    Math Hughes (pre GSP 2, after beating Penn and Royce Gracie)
    Chuck Lidell (mostly UFC only fans, pre Rampage 2 loss)

    All good things must come to an end. Anderson Silva is unbeatable… until someone beats him. It is only a matter of time.

    I vote for Huckaby… Go for the glory Huck!

  • Davey D says:

    #18 Andy, Thiago could easliy be a MW and I think he should consider it. He’s close right now and might stay where he’s at considering all that’s happening or could happen before this year is up. His ultimate goal right now should be to stay in shape, wait for his next opponent and a focus on his fighting career. And also not to forget to have fun! Pitbull vs. The Spider would be a hell of a match though. Bisping too!

    Back to the Duel:

    4. True. For the sake of giving an answer and I am not saying he’d defeat Anderson when he does. Hear me out. Mike has looked very impressive over quailty competitor’s in less than two month’s. He could fight twice more this year if needed. The best thing about this sport is anything can happen. Bisping might not get the belt on his first try. Maybe he could? My money would be on Anderson Silva if they met within a year. But give The Count some time to really get to where he need’s to be. He could give em’ hell. There is a lot of talent brewing in the UFC Middleweight divison right now.

    side note: Dan Henderson vs. Rich Franklin should be in October at 185 or 205. This match needs to happen. Co-headling bout w/ BJ Penn on the card as well. Sounds good right? Moving on…

    5. False. I think KJ will end up losing. I’m still not sold on him yet. I don’t know much about him except for his last two fight’s. He beat Nick Diaz to a pulp. I don’t even like saying that but that fight had to be stopped. I wasn’t happy when it happened either but KJ got the better of him that day. One reason I’d like to see KJ win so Nick could avenage his loss. Yves Edwards will be at his all time best and just don’t see Noons leaving with his belt.

    6. True. I’d like to see Mayhem win. Team Quest should’ve prepared him well for this fight. They’ll have a game plan for “Jacare”. Ronaldo is very strong and an accomplished BJJ champion. Miller could end up getting caught. But, I just don’t see Jason losing here. I hope we see a very entertaing battle this weekend between these two in Japan. Dream 4 should be awesome.

    There are some great fight’s going on all over the globe over the next few days. It’s a big weekend for sure. Too bad I won’t be able to see it all. Can’t wait to see what’s going to happen. Have a great weekend my 5 oz. peoples.


  • Cobra Kai says:

    Oh, and by the way, stop the name calling Huck. You’re better than that. Yes, you are better than that.

  • Davey D says:

    #21 Ronin, I’m not saying Thiago won because he’s 4 pounds heavier. Nor do I even suspect they’d weigh the same at fight time either. If you’re refering to me, all I’m saying is, he didn’t weigh in at the contracted weight agreement. Injured or not. It count’s for what it is. Plus, he ended up winning anyways. Good for him right?

    If he makes 170/171 next time over and win’s. Boring ass decision or highlight reel KO/SUB/what have you. He get’s the next shot right? You nor I can say for sure until it happpens ya’ know.

  • “Oh, and by the way, stop the name calling Huck. You’re better than that. Yes, you are better than that.”

    Caleb is a friend and it’s just goofing around. We always do that when we do articles like this.

  • Cobra Kai says:

    I’m just giving you crap. I thought you would pick up on the sarcasm given the fact that repeated it in a Peter Griffen like manner. I like the fact that you don’t feel the need to act super professional in a post that doesn’t call for it. You are serious when you need to be and not so serious when it is appropriate. You are my idol Huck.

  • Caleb Newby says:

    The problem though is Huck is a bitter, bitter man who will use ice cold jabs at those he considers closest while I generally settle for light hearted barbs easily identified as jokes. I think he wants to see if it hurts.

    Yes, I bleed just like you.

    About the Bisping topic, as I said, I am a big Bisping fan and he’s really started to come into his own at 185 while avoiding the dicey situations he would get into frequently at 205. It’s just that he has THE most dominant champion in his weight class along with a solid splattering of time tested top tier talent he needs to overcome first, along with any new comers that rise up in the future. Bisping certainly could get the title, but I’d put it at a less than 50% chance, thus false.

    And btw Cobra Kai, good point on the Silva/unbeatable stuff. I agree with ya and it’s worth mentioning.

  • Patrick says:

    They’re watching me Vern? O_o… scary.

  • THORAZINE says:

    Lotsa’ experienced guy commenting on weight cut… when there’s 4 lbs to go and u have nothing left to cut & zero energy to do it… it’s absolutely a brutal toll on the mind & body, u could try all day and not get it done. Thiago had a definite advantage.

  • Ronin says:

    Agree with Chabb five ounces of pain is the greatest MMA blog on the interweb, Sam Caplan rules.

  • Buddha says:

    I was actually surprised at the Leites v Marquardt question. You say Marquardt easily handled him but it took some illegal strikes and a piledriver to make him look that dominant. This on top of the fact that Marquardt has historically been a bit of a dirty fighter. I think you have to put Leites higher on the food chain and Marquardt should have to fight his way back up the ladder.

    Also I think the Gomi v Diaz comparison is flawed. Diaz did nothing illegal during the fight. He fought a clean fight past the drug tests, and even finished the fight. He didnt have to almost KO Gomi with an illegal knee to get him in that Gogo and even with beating him legitimately he was never ranked higher on any set of rankings anywhere. So by that logic you should of answered the question that Yes Leites should be looked at as higher on the MW food chain because Gomi still was looked at as the better fighter after the Diaz fight.

    Marquardt may or may not have intentionally fought dirty, but when you fight dirty you are getting an unfair advantage and you have to be penalized in someway and for that he was, thus leading in him legitimately losing the fight. I dont care if it looked like he was winning because you do not personally know how that illegal knee effected Leites in the fight. It was the right call and Leites should be given all the benefits any winner of a fight would be given.

  • Caleb Newby says:

    Good arguement Buddha. I could be swayed, but will have to watch the fight again first before changing opinions.

  • I concur. For some reason it never dawned on me my own logic that Leites won the first round before the shots. I seem to remember Marquardt then handling business until the illegal shot but as he said I’ll need to watch it again.

  • Beef says:

    All the haters better shut their mouths! Thiago Alves is the FUTURE of the 175lbs division.

    The FUTURE I tell ya!

    LOL, I jest.

    Maybe he got himself confused with Gina Carano and thought that maybe the UFC would make a special division just for him to be champ in. Getting a win at a catchweight bout should not advance your standing in a real weight division. I agree that it was lame how he wasn’t forced to try for an hour in the sauna (like Lutter). He just walked into the fight without having to take the extra toll of cutting that last few pounds. What was Hughes supposed to say? “No, You didn’t meet your commitment so let’s just cancel the main event.” LOL. Shame on Alves!

    Bisping will have to show a whole lot more in his game before I can believe him able to fight his way to the top of the UFC’s current 185lbs division.

    BTW, my vote goes to Newby.

  • king mah mah says:

    Yeah you really can’t compare taking bong hits to fighting dirty. One was fighting dirty and one was ridin’ dirty!


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