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5 Oz. Exclusive: James Thompson speaks out against the New Jersey Athletic Control Board and possible favortism towards Kimbo Slice

106419_pxwjtxibyz_vlarge.jpg contacted James Thompson via phone at his home in England on Wednesday and he granted us an exclusive interview. During the interview, Thompson was candid about his feelings regarding his main event fight vs. Kimbo Slice during the debut of “Saturday Night Fights” on CBS. Thompson held nothing back and addressed all the questions we had pertaining to his fight vs. Slice.

He revealed during the interview that he intends to file an appeal; that he knew what was going on after the fight had been stopped and had intentionally put his hands on referee Dan Miragliotta; how he feels about one judge who scored the second round in favor of Kimbo; and that in hindsight, he feels uneasy with the tight nit relationship between Gary and Jared Shaw and Slice.

Below is the transcript of our one-on-one with Thompson:

Sam Caplan: I wanted to first see if I could get a general update on your health. How are you doing right now?

James Thompson: Yeah, I’m fine. Right after the fight a lot of people wanted me to go to the hospital. Obviously, I needed to go to the hospital for my cauliflower ear but other than that my health was 100 percent. My cauliflower was busted. They put stitches in it and sliced and diced it a little bit but that’s all fine now and that’s kind of healing. So yeah, I am 100 percent.

Sam Caplan: I wanted to go through all the events that took place this past Saturday night. First, I wanted to start with the post-fight press conference. It was kind of strange because the press conference started with Gary Shaw announcing that you were in bad shape and that you had been rushed to the hospital. Then, a few minutes later you walked in and given the circumstances, you appeared relatively fine. Did you know he had made that announcement, and if so, how did you feel when you heard that he had said that?

James Thompson: No I didn’t hear that announcement. I didn’t know until afterwards. I wouldn’t have left the press conference. I mean, I did ask to go to the hospital, because like I had just said earlier, I needed to go for my ear. But I mean, I didn’t know Kimbo was coming out, otherwise I would have hung around to finish it off. No, but I didn’t know he had said that and I’m not quite sure why he said it. I mean, what can I say? A lot of people were telling me to go to the hospital; people from Elite. In the end, I just told them over and over again that I was going to the press conference (and that) I would like to have my say and that’s what I did. And maybe he didn’t care about that? It was just a bit of a shock.

Sam Caplan: During the press conference, you were asked by a reporter if you had thought that Kimbo tapped during the first round while you were applying a guillotine choke. At the time the question was asked, you said “no” and that you didn’t think Kimbo had tapped. Do you still feel that way?

James Thompson: See, that shocked me when the question was asked because I didn’t notice any kind of tap. And on the video, he actually kneed me in the groin. That’s why I turned to the referee. That’s why I think some people might have thought I said “Did he tap?” But no, I didn’t notice that but I did obviously notice when he kneed me in the groin. And so that’s what I tried to alert the attention of the referee to. I didn’t notice or feel any tap when he did it but when I look back it did look quite strange; it did look kind of look like a small tap. I’m not quite sure why he would have done that. It didn’t look like a thumbs up because once he did the thumbs up he did it again and it kind of looked like a small tap. I don’t know why he would do that, unless obviously he tapped, then I don’t know why he would do that.

Sam Caplan: During the second round, you had Kimbo on the ground and you had his arm trapped in a crucifix. By certain counts, there was anywhere between 20-22 unanswered strikes delivered on your part to Kimbo. Do you feel the fight should have been stopped?

James Thompson: Yeah. Really, when it’s all said and done, basically if a fighter is unable to answer or improve his position, then a fight gets stopped. I just feel — and this is a gut instinct — but that if I was on the bottom and the roles were reversed, then the fight would have been stopped after 10, 11. That’s just the way I feel, maybe I am wrong. I don’t know, I just get that feeling.

Not only that, but I had the referee telling me he was going to stand it up if I didn’t keep working hard. But at the time, I was elbowing. I thought, what are you talking about, I’ve got his arm pinned? I’ve got his other arm locked down and I’m elbowing him. I’m throwing elbows and you’re telling me you possibly might stand it up? You don’t know what to think when something like that’s going on.

But yeah, of course I thought the fight should have been stopped.

Sam Caplan: With the standup, and I can already guess the answer to the question but I wanted to get your thoughts on it anyway, did you agree with the standup?

James Thompson: That’s what I first thought but I didn’t want to get too distracted. But I just couldn’t believe he stood us up from side control. Even if I was just holding him in side control and not doing anything with it, I think in the video I had been in it for, about, 10 seconds? Maybe a little bit longer? I just threw a few hammerfists with my left hand out and I kind of locked it up with my other arm. But he stood it up and that was very quick. In my head, I kind of got a sinking feeling and I thought [inaudible] at this point.

Sam Caplan: I then wanted to go into the third round when the fight was stopped. I wanted to get your feelings about the outcome of the fight and whether it was a fair stoppage?

James Thompson: No. In my opinion, he had just seen me catch some heavy shots and I was rocked. But if you looked at the first and second round, I caught heavy shots in both of them and I had managed to reverse it. I managed to get a takedown. I was still on my feet. Like I said, it did rock me but I was going to go for a clinch there. I can’t tell you what would have happened after that. I say tell you 100 percent that I would have put Kimbo down, I mean, I don’t know. No one can tell. But remember, like you had said, I threw 20-some unanswered blows and the fight didn’t get stopped in the second round. In the third round, Kimbo hits me with a good four punches (and) I’m still on my feet and the referee comes in and stops it. I think as soon as Kimbo had the slight advantage, he got the nod. That’s how it feels and that’s how it looks to me.

Sam Caplan: After Dan Miragliotta had stopped the fight and rendered his decision, you put your hand on him. According to Nick Lembo in an interview I conducted with him on Monday, he said he spoke with Miragliotta and that he had said he felt you weren’t even sure who he was and that you didn’t know the fight had been stopped. Did you know what was going on and did you intentionally put your hands on Dan Miragliotta?

James Thompson: You see, this is what almost is the most annoying to me, is the fact that I was just so disgusted and that I was so in shock by it. In disgust, I kind of shoved him. I went to shove him away and I caught his face. Now, I did that completely knowingly and completely purposely. It’s kind of like they take pity on me. Someone said “Oh, I think he thought I was Kimbo.” It’s even more insulting. Don’t get me wrong, I was rocked. But I was completely coherent. I saw him stop it; I followed his hands; I looked right back (and) I said to him, “What are you doing?” For him to say that he thought I thought he was Kimbo is absolutely ridiculous. I’d rather just get fined if that’s the case. For him to say I thought he was a black man with a beard… it’s insulting, basically.

Sam Caplan: I just wanted to clarify something you said a few sentences ago. Did you say you were “robbed” or did you say you were “rocked?”

James Thompson: No, I said he did “rock” me. I was rocked but you know, in the beginning of the second round, I was rocked. I mean, I got caught with some heavy shots earlier in the fight and I was rocked at different stages but you know, that’s what a fight is, isn’t it? To see if you can come back from that. And before I’ve come back. Plus, on the scorecards, I was two rounds up. It’s just hard to comprehend, really.

Sam Caplan: That raises another question. What did you think about judge Eric Colon… the second round was crazy. Judge Douglas Crosby scored it 10-8 in your favor yet Eric Colon scored it 10-9, Kimbo. What’s your reaction to that?

James Thompson: I don’t know if Kimbo had hit him a few times before he had sat down and he was seeing funny? Maybe he thought I was Kimbo? Maybe that’s what happened? When I saw that again, less and less it’s starting to shock me, to be honest with you. When I had first saw that, I just couldn’t believe it. Half the round I was controlling. I was in a massively dominant position for more than half the round. For him to score it that way… not that it’s an insult to me, but as insult to MMA in general. He shouldn’t be doing that job.

Sam Caplan: In my opinion and in the opinion of a lot of others, I feel like you got a really bad deal out of this whole situation. Has Gary Shaw or EliteXC come to you and said “James, we’re going to give you a rematch. This has to be decided definitively.”

James Thompson: No, no they haven’t. I haven’t heard from them. Nothing. I mean, maybe they’ll give me a rematch? I’m not holding my breath, but see, all these things happened. But there’s not much I can do all these things that I’ve just been complaining about. But what would be fair and what EliteXC can do and is in their power to do, is to say “Okay, I can understand why you’re not happy. It’s not particularly our fault, but what we can do to rectify the decision is let you guys go at it again.” Do a doover and see what happens. And that would be fair and then I’d have a lot of respect for EliteXC if that would happen. Fingers crossed, let’s wait and see.

Sam Caplan: Do you have any plans to appeal the decision and just the overall level of officiating that took place on Saturday?

James Thompson: Yeah, I’ve had a lot of time to look over things. It’s just that right afterwards everything is a bit hazy. Everything happens so quick. So many things were happening that I like to take a little bit of time out and really see how I felt about it all. Weigh it all up. But now that I’ve thought about it, I feel like I owe it to myself to at least appeal the decision. Just for myself to see what can become of it.

Sam Caplan: The Shaws seem very closely aligned to Kimbo. I spoke to writers in press row who had mention in great detail that Jared Shaw, a Vice President with EliteXC was yelling at Dan Miragliotta in the second round to stand the fight up. Then, when the fight was over, Jared Shaw was one of the first people, if not the first person, to run into the cage to congratulate Kimbo. Do you feel like there was favoritism on the part of the promoter towards Kimbo?

James Thompson: You know what, obviously Kimbo is the main guy that they’ve heavily invested money in. He’s got a great story and he sells tickets. Now, I knew all of this going into it. I didn’t pay it much attention basically just because I’ve got a job to do. You know, you always have favorites in fights and all that. It didn’t really bother me. I didn’t pay it much attention. But to be honest, I was upset I suppose when his son, Jared, was screaming for the referee to stand it up. And then to be the first one to jump through in the ring… you don’t know what to think, to be fair. I just look at that and I see that and it leaves me in a situation of saying, well what? I mean, neither of the Shaws have said anything about it or come on record to say what — I don’t know, Jared’s son manages Kimbo, someone said? He helps manage him? [editor’s note: “Icey” Mike Ember is Kimbo Slice’s manager of record] I don’t know, it just seems like a bit of a conflict of interest to me. Again, it makes me feel not just not happy about it, but slightly uneasy. But yeah, it just leaves me with a big question mark basically and just kind of raises a few questions that I feel need to be cleared up.

Sam Caplan: That’s all I had as far as questions, but I wanted to do this interview so you could get your side out. Is there anything else you’d like to express?

James Thompson: I just wanted to say it was a honor to be on the CBS card in the main event. I feel like, and not just for me, but there was a lot of bad decisions in very good fights which shouldn’t have happened. I’m just really glad the ratings were so good for Elite and CBS. But I do feel it’s a shame for MMA to have such controversy on its biggest night. I mean, that’s a part of sports. You’re always going to get things people don’t agree with and things don’t always quite run right. That’s a part of sport and I understand that but there were so many bad decisions and there were so many things that just weren’t right. It kind of makes me sad that this had to happen on the biggest MMA card to date.

  • Zack says:

    Hold on, there was one more nail the in the NJACBC credibility coffin.

  • Zack says:

    Also, Sam – tour de force journalism and follow through this week. Anyone who doesn’t make this their primary MMA site is missing out.

  • rob says:

    nice honest interview answers

  • Evan says:

    Bester interview to date Sam, well done.

  • Tanner says:

    Thanks for getting his side Sam. As much as he seems like a big shrek like ogre in the ring, or yoda with his ear floppy flop flopping around like that, he sure does come across as an intelligent well spoken dude in his interviews.

  • AG Silver says:

    Sam, great job with all the follow-up to the aftermath of the EliteXC event.


  • Brent says:

    Good work Sam.

  • Echolocating says:

    This was a great interview, Sam. Awesome job.

    I can hardly wait for the Dan Miragliotta interview. 😉

  • Sam says:

    I agree with the other commentators that this is a top-notch interview and gets the perspective many (including myself) really wanted: Thompson’s. It’s also interesting to see how cogent and thoroughgoing his answers are, especially with the way some have branded Thompson “special needs” when writing about him. Just because a guy doesn’t have marquee good looks doesn’t mean he’s a fool.

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  • fightgeek says:

    I really appreciate all the thorough follow-up to this story too. A lot of insight can be gained between your interview, and TJ DeSantis’. JT flat-out got robbed that night. I’m glad he’s going that way and appealing, hopefully it will affect some change in New Jersey and EXC. Thanks again!

  • Trsigley says:

    Solid work Sam.

  • Drew says:

    Great interview. Seems Thompson has far more intelligence thenI ever gave him credit for. He comes across as honest and respectful. It was obviously an early stoppage but did anyone really think for a second the Shaw’s were going to let it go to the scorecards, especially the way the first two rounds wer going.

    Been lurking the site for a few months now and have been really impressed. Good Job guys.

  • GirlyGirl says:

    Now that James even said it looked like a tap, will people FINALLY believe it?

  • GirlyGirl says:

    Btw…Sam… when Shaw said that Thompson was going to the hospital, didn’t he claim it was because he was having trouble breathing????

  • Tertio says:

    Great job.

    I am now a huge fan of yours. Hope you get a fair rematch.

  • woooburn says:

    can’t help but feel bad for james. he was viewed as a weak pushover going into the fight (which wasnt totally unwarranted), got the better of the exchanges during the fight, got railroaded by the officials, and then disrespected by his own organization. for me personally, it’d be tough to shake those things and continue to fight for them. i’ll definitely be rooting for thompson in the future wherever he fights. not the most technical fighter, but worthy of respect for his willingness to speak out against the way the fight was handled.

    and sam… i’m disappointed you didnt ask him about the cauliflower ear poll! seems like he’d have a sense of humor about it.

  • jball says:

    excellent interview! i just remember watching the ref step in and stop the fight and my buddy and i both looked at each other and called BS! Kimbo really lost alot of his mystic and i WAS a fan behind him. he will have to win decisively over some top competition for me to board the Kimbo train anytime soon… as for James… he just got alot of new fans and i wish him luck in his appeal.

  • john says:

    i really hope “makinstream media” picks up on this interview. amazing job.

  • rmccs0x says:

    kimbo was never close to being hurt nor did he ever tap.

    read here:

  • Pierre says:

    Congrats go once again to you Sam for the excellent work you did… I was really hoping to hear JT point of view on the matters…As i have been a fan of his for a while now even though everybody counted him out, but he is a Top Notch chap that deserves all fight fans respect even though he is not technically proficient but rather due to his classiness and his dedication to improving his game (ala joining Xtreme Couture).

  • bigfish042 says:

    What sickenens me is the fact that the Vice President of EliteXC is cageside screaming and screaming to stand up Kimbo and JT. That is ridiculuis.

    That would be similar to Dana cageside screaming in a Liddell fight to stand them up if he is taken down and in side control of a fight. You know taht the refs can make their own decision, but I am sure everyone has noticed that if someone influential is yelling enough, it MAY interfere and lopside a ref’s/judges decision

  • bigfish042 says:

    Sam Caplan…………….

    I dont think that it was a good idea on JT’s part to say in an interview that he intentionally put his hands on Dan M. To shove him away.

    Good interview. The only thing I wish you would of asked is why the ear wasnt drained before the fight???? What the doctors said about it in the pre fight exam??? Why that was allowed to be shown on the most watched mma event on tv.

    I know people are saying that it could get infected???? But what is worse JT ‘s ear getting infected or the possiblity of many getting infeceted when it burst and shot for 10-15 feet cageside onto onlookers??? If a fighter had a giant scab ready to burst on their face, they would be allowed to fight, I just dont understand why this has not been discussed?????

  • Sam Caplan says:

    “I dont think that it was a good idea on JT’s part to say in an interview that he intentionally put his hands on Dan M. To shove him away.”

    That’s just who James Thompson is. If you ask him an honest question, he’s going to give you an honest answer.

  • Bigshrill says:

    What a blatant robbery!! I can’t believe they allowed Kimbo to lie there for over a minute getting shots to the face and then as soon as Thompson looks rocked the ref rushes in to stop the fight. That ref Miragliotta is the worst ref in the sport if that was an honest decision. Earlier he stands them up after thompson was in side control for 11 seconds…WTF?!!!

    A 10-9 round 2 for Kimbo… Do you get more points by getting caught in a crucifix and receiving 2000 elbows to the face? I didn’t realize that sticking your thumb up meant you got more points. I’ll have try that next time.

    Anyways, thank you for the interview.

  • Pleau says:

    I like this kid more and more every time I see him fight and hear him speak. He’s exciting in the ring and intelligent in front of the cameras. It’s a shame what happened on Saturday night, he had that fight in the bag and it was taken from him just as quickly. He could be on the main card for any fight promotion and would love to see him more.

    Kudos JT!

  • recently.reaped says:

    great interview Sam.

    I hope there’s not vindictiveness by Shaw and Elite XC for James speaking his mind.
    If they have the nerve to cut him, Dana should sign him right away just for spites sake.

    I’ve been a fan of James since his days in Pride. I always saw a lot of potential and hope he continues to improve as a fighter.

  • Xemi says:

    I wish Thompson good luck with his appeal, the stoppage was really horrible considering he had already been rocked before and ended up dominating both rounds. Great interview, thanks.

  • ttt says:

    i’m surprised a lot of people have just realized that JT is actually quite a standup guy. he may have a glass chin, but he brings it every fight and has always been very respectful in the past.

  • The MMA world is hard enough as is without having to worry about favoritism. It truly is disheartening to see the travesty that went on with
    Kimbo Slice and James Thompson. This match should be under investigation for fraud with the way it was officiated. I apologize to James
    Thompson on behalf of the fans of MMA and hope he is given a chance to
    set things right. He is the true winner.

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  • bDavid says:

    to bigfish042 ……. james says he would rather pay the fine .. .. he was insulted when they thought he thought Dan M was Kimbo. and he asked ‘why did you do that ‘ looking right at the Dan M… who he had just grabbed/slapped.. “for him to say i thought he was a black man with a beard is insulting, basically “

  • Mark Aulet says:

    I ahve a lot of respect for this site and it’s interviews and you Sam. Mr. Thompson is a guy who I can root for just based on his answering the questions posed without the political and expected canned answers we get so often.

    Keep up the good work Sam and Mr. Thompson keep your chin down and punches flying!

  • Mike says:

    Wow you actually asked some tough questions. But in reality come on your not afraid of being fired from the ProElite payroll. Will the post this interview

  • john says:

    EliteXC=WWE……yea Gary/Vince is Pres, but he lets Skala/Shane hog some limelight too. you’d think wearing multiple watches would let him know that his show is going 45 mins over.

  • Evan says:

    Hey Sam…I think this would be a fine time to have a fighter as an occasional guest blogger. JT seems like he would mine blog gold, even if he isn’t a hall of famer.

  • Jake says:

    Great job Sam. Any word on what the pay-scale was for the Elite XC event? We heard what the UFC and WEC fighters made but I haven’t seen what the fighters for Elite XC made.

  • Sam Caplan says:

    Jake, the NJACB does not release financial numbers.

    Evan, we’d love to have a fighter blog for the site. It’s just that they are already busy and we don’t have any money. If a fighter was still interested, all they would have to do is ask and we’d give them a forum to reach out. Anytime a fighter (or anyone involved with the fight game) has something to say, we’re always ready to listen.

  • Jay K. says:

    Damn Good Job Sam!!

    JT’s got a new fan in me and I hope Xtreme Couture helps his game improve!


    Jay K.

  • Jackyl says:

    Great to hear Thompson’s side of the story.Sam, Can we get an interview with Scott Smith now? There have been about 3 or 4 different stories going around about what was said. I have watched the tape and from what I can see, the conversations referred to did not happen, or at least did not happen the they are saying. In particular the fact that he protested as the fight was stopped. It also looks like you see him say “I”m fine”. If we could get to the bottom of that it would be awesome.

  • king mah mah says:

    Mike Tyson would love this guys ear!!

  • Sam Caplan says:

    Jackyl, we contacted Smith for comment but he was not available. I might try again today.

  • ultmma says:

    “For him to say I thought he was a black man with a beard… it’s insulting, basically.”

    Best quote of the interview

    James is coming off as a stand up guy in all his post fight interviews. It sucks to see such a nice guy get put into a situation like this.

    James has earned mine and alot of fans respect after this fight. everyone underestimated him, and he proved everyone wrong.

    He should have been given the opportunity after weeks of training and preparation to have the fight end decisively.

  • Dan says:

    I’ll be honest with you………

    I’ve got LeVon Maynard over Kimbo Slice in two rounds.

    JT really exposed what we already knew……..

    Kimbo has NO!! ground work and Shaw in his pocket.

    Kimbo seems like an honest, humble guy. I hate that this “snake in the grass” “Don King” is wrecking Kimbo’s cred……..

  • Danny says:

    Great job of journalism.

  • GT99 says:

    Great interview as usual, definatly liking this site alot recently. Aside from asking about why he didnt drain his ear prior, I would have loved to hear what he thought about the final question as he walked away to Shaw, about getting his win bonus and shaws reply that was something to the effect of does he want to be with this company tomorrow? That really sounded quite brutal and threatening.

    I think JT might be done with Elite after this, Shaw is a slimeball and makes Dana white and his often personal grudges look like nothing in comparison

  • OddTom says:

    Honestly, after blatantly robbing James of his hard-earned opportunity, Dan Miragliotta is fortunate he didn’t get a right hook to the jaw instead. He ought to count his blessings and leave it at that.

  • chester says:

    We need Big Johnn McCarthy back!!! These new referees suck! And even the regulars could use some fine tuning.

  • EliteXC = Sham says:

    Well done Sam. Hopefully poetic justice will prevail here and JT will at the very least get a rematch so he can expose the overated Kimbo again.

  • Tiny Walter says:

    Sam, truthfully, do u honestly believe Kimbo won that fight? He lost the second round, which should have been stopped. Thompson seems to be holding back and wants to scream “Hell Yeah! I was robbed”. I wanted to see this guy Kimbo after hearing about him, but was not impressed and will treat him as an under-cardsman.

  • bjjdenver says:

    First, let me say nice job Sam.

    I have long wished JT success, despite him not quite achieving it in some cases. He has always seemed like a stand up guy. I agree with much of his answers and they are about what I would expect.

    As for Kimbo’s “tap”, in HD or on a large clear set, it is evident that he didn’t tap. Get over it people, maybe he didn’t signal in as clear a manner as he should, but he certainly did not tap, nor did he have any reason to.

    The one question, I wished you would have asked, Sam, is this:

    If the roles were switched and JT was on bottom, getting hit with a flurry of weak, non-damaging strikes, how would he feel if it was stopped? I think if he was on bottom and being pelted with weak blows, he would be pissed if the fight was stopped.

    I have no problem with a rematch, if that is what JT wants.

  • darkmetal says:

    Outstanding interview, Sam.

    I think you might be coming around to why there are so many so-called “conspiracy theories” about this fight.

    Your questions basically covered all the points I wanted to hear (except why his ear wasn’t drained) and actually backed up just about each and every point I have been making on here since the Saturday event.

    I am now a new fan of James Thompson. He is eloquent, intelligent, and very forthcoming and honest. Such fighters need to be the centerpiece of MMA in my opinion.

    If James happens to be reading any of these posts, I would only say that I see the major hole in his game as keeping his hands up to fend off blows. Should he train this intensely, I think he will improve 100%.

    As for the Shaw-Sham, I hold NO respect for his type of production. To have his son directing the referee from the side of the cage? For Gary Shaw to be talking to the ref between rounds?

    The more time that goes on, the more I think the fans are more right than all the pundits originally thought….

  • Kimbo Sucks says:

    Thumbs down for a corrupt NJACB … Kimbo clearly lost this fight.

  • Martin says:

    I aws a fan of JT (I did even bet some money on him at the Kimbo fight) this interview made me even a bigger fan, great stuff!

  • Echolocating says:

    Well said, darkmetal.

  • Ian says:

    Great interview Sam.

  • mike wolfe says:

    Judging by these posts, this could be the best thing that’s happened to Thompson’s career. He’s transformed from tomato can/sacrificial lamb to martyr/statesman.

  • Seriously says:

    Apparently, Shaw is known to make jokes at press conferences. I heard the press conference and heard him saying that Thompson was sent to the hospital, he also said more of the joke by implying that he was giving birth or something like that. It was a joke!

    Shaw might not be the best guy in the world, but he’s no stupid to make such an idiotic comment in front of the press.

    Sam, you are a really good journalist. But I must say that it’s little shocking that you didn’t get that part of the comment/joke. It reads to me as an edited comment as to create more chaos. Manipulation of information? Hopefully not, hopefully only a little mistake.

    Other than that, great article!

  • yougottabekidding says:

    darkmental: Shaw DID NOT talk to the referee in between rounds. I was seating almost next to him. He never stood up or opened his mouth. $kala might have ( I’m not sure because he was seating in another area) but Gary didn’t.

    Did Sam Caplan said that Shaw was talking to ref in between rounds. Too bad if he did, as i usually like what he has to say.

  • mike says:

    I have said before about certain mma fights…that they are fixed by judges or by fighters!!!

  • darkmetal says:

    Seriously, we all agree that Shaw seems to be well versed at staging a good….joke.

    yougottobekidding: Sorry perhaps that was a fact I got wrong, but I have seen quite a few posts stating Shaw was talking to the ref between rounds, but as you say, perhaps it was another representative of Elitexc, or maybe people were simply confusing his son with him.

    I guess when so many shoddy things occur in one match, you start to lose focus on how any organization could do some of the things that we saw on that Saturday.

    Oh, one other question yougottabekidding, was Shaw cheering for Kimbo or Thompson? And did he seem uneasy when Thompson had the advantage?


  • Sam Caplan says:

    #58, were you even at the press conference!? Because I was, and for you to think Shaw was joking is completely ludicrous. Shaw was dead serious. He said it in a somber tone and asked everyone to pray for Thompson. Later in the press conference, Jared Shaw walked over to the podium and gave Shaw an update. Shaw then corrected himself and said that Thompson was going to go to the hospital, but that first he was going to speak at the press conference.

    Seriously, if anyone is manipulating information or is mistaken here, it’s you. There was absolutely no legitimate way anyone could construe Shaw’s comment about Thompson going to the hospital as him joking. What’s shocking here is that you would even suggest that was the case. Why would someone joke about James Thompson having breathing problems?

  • Sam Caplan says:

    #59, I never said that Jared Shaw was talking to the referee between rounds. What I said was that there are eyewitness accounts from multiple writers in press row that claimed Jared Shaw stood up from his seat and started yelling at Dan Miragliotta to stand the fight up in the second round when Thompson had Kimbo in side control. I did not see it with my own eyes, but I have vivid accounts from credible writers that have made the claim.

    Posts #58 and #59 are very interesting. What’s with the sudden disinformation?

  • Joe Mastronardo says:

    This is why I do not respect MMA. Because people think that it is straight up, and it isn’t. It is a business like everything else, and this fight was as set up (in terms of officiating and judging) as the day is long. It makes me sick when someone cant go in and win on their own merit, like James Thompson did. Just garbage. I understand their is money to be made, but this fight was an complete insult to our intelligence. I’ll stick with WWE. And Kurt Angle in his prime would probably maim all these jabronies anyway.

  • HexRei says:

    @#64: MMA is a sport, EliteXC is an organization that promotes that sport. If you want to diss this event for being “set up” thats fine, I’ll have to go ahead and assume this is the first MMA event you’ve ever seen though because that EXC event was far from the norm. You must be a pro wrestling fan huh?

  • Nate says:

    Getting a bad deal doesn’t make James Thompson a better or more entertaining fighter for me.

    The Elite XC fight was the biggest in MMA history, which helps the sport all around. Any news is good news, look at Britney Spears. If there is a bad guy (Elite XC), it always makes the good guy (UFC/Other orgs like Affliction) look better.

    While this wasnt one of my fav interviews, I appreciated it as well as the good questions asked.

  • Joe Mastronardo says:

    Yes I am a pro wrestling fan, but i watch basically everything, and i have for years, including UFC, WWE, and I caught the Elite XC show. I am a fan of the competition but what gets me is that in the MMA world people automatically assume that it is on the up and up when the fact is there is money to be made and the MMA world is having a surge of popularity right now and to capitalize on it the results of some contests are predetermined in order to make more money. Like i said above, this is a business just like everything else. I’m not saying every fight is fixed because that would be idiotic of me. But there is no way shape or form there is not a WWE influence in setting up fights, rematches, and potential future big money fights. Just like we saw how Kimbo was protected because of the potential he has as a draw. The Kimbo fight was a joke, and an insult to our intelligence. They needed Kimbo to win, and he did. The stoppage was simply a “ok, lets get the hell outta here before out guy gets even more exposed” move. Also, lower end fighters make very little money, and there have been cases where the two would get together before the fight, figure out who would win, then they would go bet their own fight off-shore, one of them takes a dive, and then they collect the gambling winnings because it is much more than they get paid. This has also happened in tennis. Anyway, this stuff is not straight up, because its business. hopefully people are not blind to this and take it for what its worth.

  • Joe Mastronardo says:

    Anyone who doesnt believe some of this is set up is….well, jojo. Hey Yo!

  • HexRei says:


    MMA world is having a surge of popularity right now and to capitalize on it the results of some contests are predetermined in order to make more money.

    This EXC controversy didn’t prove the event was “predetermined”, what if Thompson had actually KO’ed Kimbo when he had him on the ground, or from a wild standing punch? You can make an argument that the ref was influenced by the promoter but the fact remains that this was a real fight (albeit with a bad stoppage) and anything could have happened, and so the fight was not predetermined. And anyone who thinks Kimbo wasn’t going to win that fight anyway is probably a little crazy. It’s not like Thompson faked being KO’ed or something, this is nothing but an early stoppage probably because of a shitty ref more than anything else.

    The bottom line is that even the shoddy MMA promotions (like EliteXC) are still NOTHING like WWE- where the actors get together beforehand and practice their moves, script out the fight, and both know in advance who is going to win because really they’re just performing a violent syncopated dance sequence while trying desperately not to hurt each other.

    And this is probably the most controversial event I’ve ever seen, this kind of crap is actually pretty rare in promotions like UFC and WEC who are much more professional. It sounds like you just want to validate your time investment in pro wrestler-acting by saying MMA is somehow the same- but its not. MMA is a young sport and certainly some organizations have some shady business practices but its a world away from the “predetermined outcomes” of WWE.

  • Joe Mastronardo says:

    im saying that they are using WWE ways to build their fights brother. which they are. Especially in UFC. I was saying they practice the stuff. thats not what i was getting at at all. Don’t tell me for one second that they didn’t make sure Kimbo won that fight…if he would have gotten knocked out they would have been screwed and that would have been that.

    The ref stopped the fight because I’m sure he was instructed to do so if Kimbo looked like he was in trouble, which he was. and he was totally gassed and everyone knew it. Thompson’s ear blowing up just helped give them a reason to get the hell outta there. How the hell did anyone in the world give the second round to Kimbo Slice??? Because the judges and officials and promoters were all in on it. Come on. They stopped the fight without even bringing the doctor into the cage. They stopped it right away, again, cause they wanted to get the hell outta there to get another potential pay day out of kimbo. or should i say, as many as he can give them before he gets crushed if he doesnt get a hell of alot better. Hey, good for kimbo. im glad he got paid and all. But lets not kid ourselves…we all saw what happened here.

  • Joe Mastronardo says:

    to correct the first line above…i meant I WAS NOT SAYING THEY PRACTICE THE STUFF BEFORE HAND.

  • Joe Mastronardo says:

    and to clarify, in pro wrestling, the stuff is largely called on the fly in the ring. the big spots are talked about before hand, along with the finishes. It is rare that the matches are actually scripted. That is only reserved for matches like the mayweather match at wrestlemania, where a non-wrestler was involved, to make sure everything was acceptable. anyway…

  • HexRei says:

    @70 I’ll admit it’s possible, although it sounds a little conspiracy-theory to me. Also, I think lumping all ring officials and organizations together is a fallacy, New Jersey handled this fight and handled it badly (or, by your beliefs, fixed it), but that doesnt meant the Nevada and California do this also. Remember that in most states the Boxing commission handles MMA (and provides most of their ring officials), do you think boxing is also fixed?

    The fact is that even in a completely non-biased combat event reffing is still largely subjective, they don’t have the benefit of instant playback to make their calls usually, and sometimes refs just flat-out make mistakes.

    Like I said, don’t judge it all by EXC which is roughly 3% of the MMA marketshare. Most shows in most promotions go off without a hint of bias or controversy, Dana is in fact a paragon of integrity compared to Gary and Jared Shaw.

  • HexRei says:

    and thanks for the clarification re: pro wrestling, haven’t watched it myself in twenty years or so.
    However, I hope you do at least understand that even if there is corruption, MMA is fundamentally supposed to be a real sport… a scandal here or there doesn’t mean we should all just get used to the idea of fights being fixed.

  • C-Pop says:

    Great Interview?
    Not much talk about his ridiculous ear.
    Why not ask him anything about how retarded it was to enter the cage with that crap?

  • HexRei says:

    @#75 Dude, it looked gross but its nothing that should ever stop a fight. Would you want to be the fighter that pulled out of a bout with Kimbo because of EAR CAULIFLOWER? He probably got it in a training accident, that stuff happens. Gotta wear your headgear.

  • Joe Mastronardo says:

    oh no i totally agree that it is supposed to be a real sport. i believe alot of it is. but i think there is an area where outcomes are tampered with, for lack of a better word at the moment, in the interest of the financial gains of mainly the owners and promoters. I’m still a fan, I never said I wasn’t. But in my mind, I will not believe that some of this isn’t contrived.

  • […] that be within EliteXC have no intention of throwing Thompson back in with Slice, and Thompson knows it: “I haven’t heard from them [Elite XC]. Nothing. I mean, maybe they’ll give me a rematch? […]

  • Marc says:

    Major props to James Thompson. Not only for being a damn tough guy who’s willing to stand toe to toe with anyone in the world, but also for being a ‘stand up’ guy in his honesty and his character.

    I don’t blame Kimbo, and am actually a fan of his as well. He’s a pretty humble and soft spoken guy himself, in my opinion. The Shaws are NOT stand up people, though. If one of them was hollering for a standup when JT had Kimbo in a compromising position then that is downright weak (and disturbing). You could tell right from the outset that things weren’t just right, in my view, based upon the introductions. Yeah, as JT himself pointed out – Kimbo is the big Elite XC ticket right now and puts people in the seats. Still, the disparity in the way that Kimbo was introduced and the way that JT was introduced left me with a bitter taste in my mouth right from the outset. A guy like JT who has stood toe to toe with Don Frye in one of the best standup brawls of all time deserved a more balanced introduction. And MMA deserves relatively balanced introductions as a sport no matter who is fighting.

    I’m not sure whether Kimbo tapped in the 1st, and really even though James did have major control over Kimbo in the 2nd round (there’s NO WAY JT didn’t win that round!) he wasn’t doing terrible damage with the elbows. He was landing for sure, but I’m not convinced there was enough damage being done to warrant a stoppage. By the same token, though, JT deserved and should have been given a chance to recover in the 3rd before the fight was stopped. He was definitely rocked (I love the guy’s honesty!), but I think it was stopped at least one solid-landed-punch too early. Particularly considering how close the fight was at that point (very possibly with JT winning on points), Kimbo should have needed to land at least another devastating blow before stoppage.

    The bottom line after everything else – JT’s great attitude and fearlessness, Kimbo’s great attitude too, the Shaws’ lousy attitude, and Colon’s ridiculous 2nd round scoring – is that DAN MIRAGLIOTTA IS A TOTAL BUMB OF A REFEREE. And Miragliotta’s poor judgement does not appear to be strictly a function of working for Elite XC. Anyone who saw what he did in the UFC85 Vera vs. Werdum fight tonight surely understands that this guy should not be refereeing inside of a cage any more (for any production)…

  • Slater says:

    I thought Thompson was robbed, the fight should have been stopped with all the unanswered blows Kimbo took. I think a great fight would be KImbo VS Brock Lesner.


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