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5 Oz. Exclusive: Dr. Sherry Wulkan comments on Kaitlin Young and Scott Smith stoppages

After reading our interview with New Jersey Athletic Control Board legal counsel Nick Lembo, Dr. Sherry Wulkan contacted the NJACB with additional comments via e-mail. The NJACB forwarded that e-mail to us with permission to publish it.

I am making that e-mail available here, but I wanted to add that 5 Oz. of Pain contacted both Kaitlin Young and Scott Smith to get their sides of the story. Young declined to comment on the record at this time while Smith was unavailable for comment.

Here is Wulkan’s e-mail:

“When we saw Kaitlin in the cage, we were concerned about an orbital fracture. Both she and her corner were grateful that the fight was stopped and actually thanked us for stopping the fight. When she first returned to the dressing room, she said she wasn’t sure why the fight was stopped, but after looking in the mirror, she was glad we did. That is almost a quote verbatim. She said she was overwhelmed and that Carano definitely got the better of her on this occasion. I don’t read the blogs [Editor’s Note: Dr. Wulkan is referring to an alleged post by Kaitlin Young on, however, the post has yet to be verified as actually being authored by Young herself], but perhaps she was not well reviewed and this prompted the response you forwarded.

“We did not stop the fight because it looked ugly or because she was a woman, but because she had taken some major abuse, and because we were afraid she had a fracture. The risks of orbital fractures are well known to ringside physicians.

“Her response seems more like a vendetta for not being invited to the interviews . It’s a shame, because she presented herself very professionally both before and after the fight on fight night.

“As a follow up, Drago [editor’s note: Pete Sell] told me that Smith said he still was seeing double and triple 15-20 minutes after returning to the locker room. His corner was grateful we made the call we did. I want to know who told the press we didn’t pick up the foot injury at the time it happened. That’s just not precise reporting. I’m glad you cleared that up. I think it’s amazing that Smith himself, although initially disappointed, currently has no problem with the decision; he knows we’re professional and we have both their short term and long term interests at heart. At no time did we hear a complaint from Smith’s corner, so why are the blogs so insistent that an injustice was served? Besides, the rematch will prove to be a war, especially with two healthy fighters.”

  • joe says:

    Why wasn’t Smith given his full 5 minutes first though?

  • R says:

    There is some shenanigans going on for sure. And the worst part is, the fans will never know who is completely telling the truth, which just adds to the general distaste left after seeing the event on Saturday.

    It will be interesting to see how EliteXC approaches their second CBS show (based on the preliminary ratings, it looks like a lock). Will they have more technical match ups, hoping for some ground based fighting? Will they sign more high profile fighters beforehand and insert them into the fight card?

  • the exit says:

    You can’t say to a fight doctor “I can’t see” and expect any other outcome. If he could see, he should have thought to say I need my 5 minutes. There’s guts, and there’s stupidity. Preferring to be knocked out while half-blind rather than having the fight stopped is stupidity.

  • Brent says:

    From: kaitlinrosie

    “I did not, nor did my corner, thank them for stopping the fight. She is referring to me looking in the mirror and saying “oh, I see” as in thats why they didnt want my face on TV.”

  • Fabricio says:

    Is there a reason she declined comment Brent?? she seems willing to talk on message boards, she should get it all out in the open.

    I really enjoy her as a fighter, and I’m sure the expectations were high for her with all of her friends. Rogers has said his piece, bas, thompson ect……… If Kaitlan is calling bullshit she had a great opportunity.

  • rob says:

    kaitlin’s own posted photo certainly hurts her story.

    send for icepacks!

  • jw says:

    how does it hurt her story?? on her own post on the UG, she says she didn’t brake her orbital bone, that the one doctor said she was fine to continue, and on the broadcast you could here her reply with elite xc newark when the doctor asked where she was.

  • Michaelthebox says:

    This whole EliteXC story gets uglier and uglier with every passing day.

    I’m starting to wonder if something is gonna come out that will start a real shitstorm.

  • Christine says:

    Where is the picture of her eye? Anyone know?

  • Brandt says:

    NJACB != EliteXC.

    Kaitlyn Young is under the care of the NJACB and should have done a better job of protecting herself during the fight if she wanted to avoid that doctor stoppage.

    She was done and luckily left with only that flesh wound. They saved her from getting rocked even more.

  • cyph says:

    The problem is not the stoppage. I could make a case for stopping the fight. However, statements should NOT contradict. The fighter says one thing, the NJAC says another. Well, which one is it?

    The fact of the matter is that the NJAC was unduly influenced and biased in their official capacity as a neutral party. That’s a real shame. Everyone expects EliteXC to be shady, not the athletic commission.

  • ultmma says:

    How is looking out for the best interest of the fighters shady or corrupt?

    I’ve heard so many ignorant comments over the past few days about the NJAC working for CBS or elite XC it A) makes me laugh at how dumb people are and B) makes me cry that people actually believe in these back room deals….shouldn’t you people be typing in your mom’s basement about JFK and 9/11 conspiracy theories

    The NBA rigged the finals so Boston would play L.A 2.

    –If you have a broken orbital bone or are close to having one eye shut than its the DR.’s responsible to call the fight and not allow you to try and go out and be a hero.

    — if you tell the referee you can’t see and than you tell the DR. you can’t see. They have every right to stop the fight, thus preventing you from going out there and being KO’d half blind

    life is so simple sometimes why does everyone have to make it so complicated

  • Jerome says:

    I still think there are a lot of questionable things that went on, and people should not be dismissed simply because they have some serious questions about those fights. I’m not entirely satisfied with the answers provided by the Doctor or Legal Counsel.

  • bjjdenver says:

    Hexrei, where are you?????

    Hopefully, you can back off your stance just a little now.

    Still good points.

  • Rob says:

    Young was taking a beating and it was only going to get worse. If she didn’t thank the doctor she should have. Smith told a doctor “I can’t see.” What reaction do you think you’re going to get from a freakin doctor. Even though a fighter is given five mnutes to heal, if the injury is severe enough, its the doctors right to stop it. If his eye was ripped out, does the five minute rule apply. The only egregious decision made was in the Kimbo fight. The other stoppages were justified.

  • bjjdenver says:

    And thanks, Hex, for the intelligent debate yesterday, that’s what makes these sites fun.

  • HexRei says:


    im so shocked that the doctor who issued the stoppages claims they were justified! I totally expected her to be like “nah, they were questionable and early, I think my judgement was influenced by the CBS broadcast and I definitely made a couple of mistakes there”

    lol. seriously man, look at that pic of kaitlyn someone posted and tell me that were that on a guy that would be a fight-stopping injury. puh-leeeze. she has a big black eye (nope, no orbital fracture) and a little cut underneath, neither justifies stopping the fight. she was robbed just like smith (who should have been asked at the end of his five minutes if he could see, whats the point of giving them five minutes if you’re just going to stop it if he can’t see after 1 minute?)

  • HexRei says:

    you’re welcome bjj 😀

  • bjjdenver says:

    lol, you should have written her comment for her, nice job.

    Young was robbed of what? taking a further beating in a fight she had only a microscopic chance of winning? It was the right call.

    The odds of her suffering further more serious damage, were far higher than the odds of her landing a huge KO punch when she had been ineffective in the fight. She wasn’t fighting back, wasn’t defending herself, just standing there taking big shots from a bigger fighter.

    The fan in me wants to side with you, if it had been even a remotely close contest, but I just keep going back to the stoppage being the best option.

  • bjjdenver says:

    And yeah, i guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

    Maybe we can agree on the next topic, lol.

  • HexRei says:

    i agree that its likely she would have just got more beat up, but she deserved a chance imho. like you said, guess we will just have to agree to disagree, see you in next thread :)

  • lulu says:

    why not just let kaitlin get beaten to death while we are at it.
    she was still breathing and carano was ready to beat her head again.
    to hell, with the refs and docs.
    yeah, that’s the way to legitimize the sport.

  • defshepard says:

    The way to “legitimize” the sport is not to have conflicting stories from fighters and doctors and commissions. And not to rob a fighter of her shot at another round when she answeared all the questions coherently. Nice stoppage. Protected Carano and EliteXC’s investment and gave her another victory. I am with kaitlin, she could have gone another round.

  • […] Sam Caplan posted an email from Doctor Sherry Wulkan on the doctor […]

  • Brent says:

    “Young was robbed of what? taking a further beating in a fight she had only a microscopic chance of winning?”

    Carano’s mouth was wide open and she wasn’t even in a MT stance anymore – she was close to completely gassed and walking flat-footed at the end of the round – next round anything could have happened – she knows it too, hence her apology about her conditioning after the fight.

  • […] Posted by koolpaw on June 4, 2008 Dear Dr. Sherry Wulkan, […]

  • Jerry Odom says:

    Stoppages happen and sometimes they don’t make sense. However it’s strange that you end up with three questionable results on the same card. It’s also strange that a reasonable amount of time wasn’t given. I tend to think a great deal of these unusual decisions were made due to extra circumstances from the national spotlight effecting the rules. Specifically due to wanting to overcome the “human cockfighting” label.

  • Jackyl says:


    Because it doesn’t look like they were just looking out for the interest of the fighters. It was extremely shady. I don’t think the commission was working for CBS or EliteXC or anything but I do think CBS officials touched base with the commission and basically told them to be more cautious than usual. It’s pretty clear they stopped the fights as soon as they got ugly. If Scott Smith said he couldn’t see, why was he so upset and saying “No!” as they waved it off. Watch the fight, you can clearly see him say he is ok. It even looks like they are starting again. Next thing you know they are stopping it Smith says “No!” and starts pleading with them not to stop it. Could this have anything to do with the show running long? I hope not but it just seems so damn crazy. Eye pokes happen all the time, they give the fighter his time then start again. This was a damn 5 round championship fight. The show was slotted for two hours and even with no fights going the distance they came in at almost 3. They really need to do a better job with the pacing. Oh, and the exact same thing happened Sunday night during the Faber vs Pulver fight. That one didn’t get stopped………

  • Vee says:

    It’s amazing how many people:
    – who are not trained physician
    – who have worked fights in the past
    – who actually spoke with the aforementioned fighters

    . . . have expert keyboard opinions on the Elite XC card. Are fans going to simply ignore the explanations of Dr. Sherry Wulkan and referee Dan Miragliotta?

    Get over it already.

  • Shaun says:

    that show was terrible

  • HexRei says:


    It’s amazing how some people are so invested in authority that they refuse to admit that a ring official can make mistakes.

  • Jackyl says:

    Of course we are going to ignore their explanations when their explanations are crap. Like the phantom conversation about Smith saying he absoloutely could not see. If he said that then why was he saying “No No No” when they started to stop it. I would ask Smith the same question if he now says something to the contrary. Watch the tape. The ref has a mic.

  • According to Dan M., during the 3 min or so mark of the 5 min rest period, Smith said he couldn’t see, but he was good and needed another 5 min. At that point, the officials decided it was over since he couldn’t recover in the alloted 5 min. If you believe this, I can’t fault the doctors or the ref.

    As for Young, I was thinking that they needed to end that fight because she was taking such a beating. I was not surprised when they stopped the fight. I don’t recall Young getting all worked up about. I think she knew she was beat at that point. All this talk about whether she thanked them or not is irrelvant.

  • HexRei says:

    @#35 Ooh, where did you hear that about Dan M? Yet another new story beyond the doctor and Nick Lembo’s. Amazing how there are such differing recounts from the officials involved but they all agree that he didn’t deserve the last two minutes!

    Regarding Young, perhaps you missed her yelling NO at the doctor. Or perhaps you’d take her more seriously if she had gotten on the mic and bitched about it? She said later that she thought it was stopped mainly because they didn’t want a girl looking too beat up on their broadcast (also why she thinks she wasn’t invited to the post-press meeting)

  • […] Monday, we printed an e-mail authored by Dr. Sherry Wulkan, one of the cageside physicians during Saturday’s debut of EliteXC on CBS. The e-mail was […]

  • Everyone has a different vantage point, but the story from the officials is pretty consistent. They gave him some time to rest and it appeared his vision wasn’t improving, so they stopped the fight. The doctor is very specific about what Scott told her. There isn’t a big dispute unless Smith comes out and says the NJAC is full of BS.


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