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Video: Kornheiser and Wilbon discuss MMA on network TV in primetime

  • JoeRoganIsAnAss says:

    Who cares what Wilbon and Kornheiser have to say? Honestly, this Siskel and Ebert knock off can go by the wayside…

  • I like that they admitted that they grew up watching boxing on TV and that there are corollaries between the two sports. I think they have a romanticized view of boxing as the sweet science – the truth is most guys are brawlers, and MMA is getting those guys now. It’s refreshing to hear people say, “I don’t get it” or “I don’t like it” as opposed to coming up with idiotic reasons why MMA is a herald of the apocalypse.

  • jaydog says:

    It’s interesting that they both agreed that the point of MMA, as opposed to boxing, is to be “vicious” and they consider this to be something that may not be acceptable to a wide audience. In reality, a grappling and positioning chess match makes up a good deal of most MMA fights where contestants attempt to dominate and impose their will one way or another (often forcing the other to give up). That aspect of the fight game probably isn’t what the networks are going after (and discussing it wouldn’t make sensational “news” segments either).

    As the commentators rightly point out, the networks will play anything that they think will sell. For better or worse, that’s the possibility of “vicious” KOs. So, it seems like a double edged sword. Give the people/networks what they want and attract the ire of the media and possibly legislators (while setting American MMA back 15 years via freakshows, probably) or promote the most skilled performers, evade a lot of criticism, and only the more dedicated fans will tune in – occasionally witnessing a “vicious” KO or bloody battle.

  • NealTaflinger says:

    Well, once people see it they can make up their minds…which is why I’d prefer to see the UFC on broadcast TV first.

  • mike wolfe says:

    Older people wringing their hands about how things have changed for the worse is pathetic and cliche. These guys talk about watching fights with their fathers, but in this piece they’re channeling their grandparents. The only thing missing was a discussion about how they had to trudge several miles to school, and through the snow in the winter.

  • Captain says:

    That was surprisingly not as bad as I thought it would be.

    I echo the sentiment that I would rather see almost any other promotion other than EliteXC be the first on network TV. I really hope the rumors of CBS taking control of the network broadcasts are true.

  • jaydog says:

    Wilbon kept saying “violent” “violent” like the word qualifies as a helpful descriptor. In the context of sports, physical clashes are not considered violent because they are a) consentual and b) regulated by rules and refs and c) performed by trained atheletes.

    Wilbon should extract the word “violent” from his rant and insert “tumultuous”. How silly would he look for not being able to handle the shocking developments of fierce competition.

    Anyhow, I really just wanted to quote one of my favorite Black Panthers from way back. H. Rap Brown said, “Violence is as American as apple pie.”

  • Accomando says:

    “…H. Rap Brown…”“Violence is as American as apple pie.”

    That’s not what is name is now. Anyway, “H. Rap” lived up to those words by shooing 2 black Atlanta police officers which resulted in the death of one of them in 2000.

  • Jay K. says:

    I’m a grown man and don’t really see the need for vulgarity but those bitches need to start wearing a skirt!

    That was 60 sec. of whining that outdid Mike Myers in his cross dressing segment of Coffee Talk with Barbara Streisand.

    Jay K.

  • Jaeger says:


    I find it to be ironic that a couple of guys who enjoyed watching two men agree to puch each other in the face for a half an hour would find MMA violent. A healthy amount of MMA fights end with no substantial physical damage done to either party involved.
    If Boxing is regarded as the sweet “science” Then perhaps they need to equate MMA as the Smart Science.

  • ctownhood says:

    It’s funny how violence apparently has different level of acceptability. They show ads on network television for “Greatest Hockey Fights” DVDs, or have segments highlighting “Best NFL Hits” or even boxing KOs , but that is somehow different. Boxing may even be more brutal, because of the repeated blows fighters suffer over their career. Many MMA bouts end with a tapout or submission, with no long term damage being inflicted. Even the KOS in MMA are less brutal long-term, because it’s usually only 1 or 2 punches…whereas in boxing, they take many shots to the head before going down.

  • MMA SKOOL ™ says:

    The best point to take away from that is that the group of people they’re worried about seeing this stuff—-KIDS—-don’t even know what a network is. Most people have cable anyway, so kids can tune-in on anything they want anytime…….. These old announcers are acting like the old networks are the last sacred place. Nonsense.

    And besides, BOXING IS MORE VIOLENT THAN MMA, imo. Listen to the guys who have been in MMA for years… They are coherent. Listen to a Boxer….. Can’t even talk. Chuck Liddell mumbles a little bit these days, but besides that and a lot of cauliflower ear and broken noses, I can’t think of one MMA fighter who is “punchy”. Boxers bash each others brains in for 12 rounds…… Gloves just allow them to keep going and going, but their brains are taking the full damage from the dull blows…… That’s more violent to me.

  • Jackyl says:

    This segment is a prime example of the ignorance that (hopefully) this deal will quash. All they are talking about is how violent it is. It’s pretty obvious that neither of these guys have watced MMA. Anyone that has followed the sport for any length of time knows way better. CBS is the network that brought us Wide World of Sports, so it seems like a pretty obvious choice. They are embracing the sport just like they embraced boxing back in the day. The Marquez-Vasquez fight is on tomorrow night too. Did anyone see their other two fights. That shit was brutal Vazquez had blood pouring from both eyes, and Marquez could barely stand. People will get educated and begin to appreciate the sport a lot more. Have you noticed less booing when guys are on the ground? Or the applause when a takedown is reversed. That is due to the public becoming more educated about the sport. Now we just need to get everyone else to realize that this is the real deal, it’s not WWE, it’s not two guys beating the crap out of each other, it’ s a truly competitive sport that can fill the hole where boxing was.

  • bubbafat says:

    Violent, compared to what? Why don’t these guys start by seeing what the mix is in Mixed Martial Arts. Start watching some grappling, try Youtube and watch some Dean Lister, Jacare, or Marcelo Garcia. Then check out some kickboxing, say some Andy Hug, Ernest Hoost, Masato. We know they’ve seen boxing so move on to some wrestling , uh, I can’t think of anybody, but my point is made. Then these guys can watch some guys that put all those elements together in a ring or a cage. THEN tell us it’s more violent or brutal, and that a boxer doesn’t punch you with the same intentions as a mixed martial artist. Jerks.

  • Kornholer says:

    Those two douches are the most biased sports analysts out there. That talk about stuff they know nothing about. They should talk about things they’re familiar with, like bagel shops in new yoak.


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